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Author Topic:   Catholics are making it up.
NoNukes
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Message 154 of 507 (768789)
09-14-2015 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by Tangle
09-14-2015 2:43 AM


Re: The God Delusion Delusion
You provided another list that NoNukes couldn't dispute,
For what it's worth, I did not try to shut down AZPaul. I find that the points he made are already well responded to. But if in fact, the subject of this discussion is that the Bible itself is made up, then that seems to be distinct from the subject in the OP. It seems to me that Paul is in some agreement on the point.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 183 of 507 (768851)
09-14-2015 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by Omnivorous
09-14-2015 12:40 PM


Re: The Delusions of Religion's Accomodation
What the scientists you named most enjoyed was a lack of suppression from religious authority.
I believe I saw Galileo on that list of names.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 211 of 507 (768941)
09-15-2015 6:23 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by Tangle
09-15-2015 5:07 AM


Re: " ...a thousand other laws..."
Q. What is the Third Commandment? ( Remember they renumbered! )
A. The third Commandment is: Remember thour keep holy the Sabbath day.
Interesting. It seems to me that the Sabbath is the subject of the fourth commandment in both Exodus and Deuteronomy. I suppose that must be different in the Catholic Bible.
In any event, the commandment says to work six days and rest on the seventh day. It seems that a rest on a seventh day is what nearly every church does, with the question being whether seventh means an ordinal numbering of the days of the week, or merely any day following six other consecutive days. There is also the question of whether the difference even matters.
The issue of which of the seven days is the rest day obviously does matter to some folks, but is that fact enough to raise the issue to any real importance? Does it really matter on which weekday our calendar begins? Don't we actually consider Saturday and Sunday the weekend regardless of where we place Sunday on a calendar. Can we really trace the calendar accurately back to seven days of creation, anyway? Does not the entire idea that a particular day matters require a literal reading of Genesis, something that only fundamentalists seem to accept anyway?
I understand that there are people who celebrate Christmas on Jan 6th because they believe that the added 10 days to the Gregorian calendar were inappropriate. But that stuff ignores the fact that nobody actually believes Christ was born during December in the first place. The exact day of celebration is a matter of tradition and has no actually religious import. The same is true of the Sabbath.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 212 of 507 (768943)
09-15-2015 6:39 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Tangle
09-15-2015 4:34 AM


Re: " ...a thousand other laws..."
Yes it certainly does. It clarifies the mental cartwheels you people have to perform in order to explain away a very simple difficulty with your current rules.
I would have to agree that the gymnastics involved with Faith's explanation are pretty bizarre. The Jewish Sabbath day is actually sunset Friday till Sunset Saturday. It is not even properly a single day of the week, particularly for people whose primary source of light is artificial and for whom sunset and sunrise don't start and end the day.
In any event, instead of speculating or just assuming that you are right, you might consider looking at the explanations given yourself. Searching why Christians worship up on Sunday will uncover the fact that there are various answers given with no one really sure of the right one.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 215 of 507 (768965)
09-15-2015 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by Tangle
09-15-2015 9:40 AM


Re: " ...a thousand other laws..."
Sure, the 20 minutes or so that I've devoted to this has so far only uncovered that it was changed by the pope and the answer given in the quote above resolved to 'because they could.' It seems to slip happily into the category of 'making stuff up at the moment.'
The problem with that bit of research is that worship on Sunday predates the purported changing of the date by the Church. Sunday church services actually date from the first and second century after Christ's death.
At best the pope would have established an official policy for the Church by choosing one of the existing practices.
Edited by NoNukes, : change chosing to choosing

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 222 of 507 (768983)
09-15-2015 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by ringo
09-15-2015 12:39 PM


Re: " ...a thousand other laws..."
It isn't about belief. It's just that the eastern orthodox churches still use the Julian calendar for religious purposes.
Why isn't the use of the Julian calendar for religious purposes a matter of belief? Why is it considered important to use an old calendar that has the problem of having seasons, solstices etc. moving around the calendar over time?
Orthodox Christmas Day
quote:
Christmas on January 7 is also known as Old Christmas Day. Eleven days were dropped to make up for the calendar discrepancy that accumulated with Julian calendar when England and Scotland switched from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar in 1752. Many people, especially in rural areas, did not accept the loss of these 11 days and preferred to use the Julian calendar.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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