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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: It won't penetrate your skull of course, but God wrote (inspired the writers of) Genesis and Revelation both, and chose to reveal the meanings behind the earlier history in their own time. So god wrote and inspired writers to write falsehoods; got it. But again, that is just something yet another person made up and unsupported by what is actually written. The is no Satan in Genesis 2&3 and in that story it is the serpent that tells the truth and the god character that lies. What you describe is apologetics, making stuff up to revise what was actually written earlier. The problem is that you (and many others) need to deny what the bible stories actually say to continue believing in the fiction you created. The issue is not that the Catholics are making stuff up but that you want to deny that the three religions that claim to worship the Abramic god all made stuff up since the very beginning. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Here is a partial list of Muslim scientists of note.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Too funny.
But the very existence of the names proves that once again your assertion that science is solely the product of Christianity is simply wrong, inane and absurd.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: As I've always understood it, the biblical framework, which presents a law-giving God and a basically RATIONAL understanding of nature, history and reality, contrary to popular prejudice today, was both a motivator and the catalyst to the DEVELOPMENT of the empirical and experimental approach to scientific questions. Once the perspective and the method were established others could also do it and do it well. However the bible stories do not offer rational explanations of reality and in fact presents just the opposite, a universe that runs not rationally based on rules and laws but irrationally at the whim of the supernatural; a would where the earth can stand still, snakes talk, a demonic god decide to create floods to wipe out some or parts of what was created.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Nor is Sunday necessarily "the first day of the week". In Jewish tradition the Sabbath is sundown Friday until sundown Saturday. Sunday is considered the first day of the week. In Roman times Monday (Diana's day) was considered the first day of the week.
Long ago and in a land far far away I used to wander over to the Walter's Art Gallery to spend the time while dad was at work. One piece I remember was a beautiful cameo bracelet with the images of the deities for each day; Diana then Mars and Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn plus Apollo for Sunday as was proper.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No one is arguing otherwise as I pointed out and you quoted.
Abe: But neither the Jews or Early Christians used Sunday as the name for the first day of the week. We really have no way to accurately determine what day would correspond nor is it of any importance. The point is that religions, including Christianity have been making it up and changing practices and dogma since the very beginning. Worrying about what day Paul and company broke bread is just a continuation of the theater of the absurd. Edited by jar, : hit wrong keyAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There should be no question that the "first day" is really the first day of their week. This corresponds to Sunday, the first day of our week. So you claim but where is the evidence to support that assertion? Dating, even determining when holy days should happen, was an inexact science and varied based on local. The Hebrews used a lunar calendar based on local conditions. By the time "Hebrews" would have been written there was in addition the influences of Greece and Rome to add confusion to "days of the week". But there is also the actual topic to consider, stuff like what day the week begins is simply another of the many things people made up.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
... or at least some religions evolve.
You still miss the point. The fact that there was a seven day week is not questioned. The fact that Jews today celebrate the Sabbath from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown is not in question. What evidence is there though that the sequence has been continual and consistent?
BUT... I repeat... all that is still irrelevant!!!! The fact is that what day a week starts on is simply yet another example of humans making stuff up and in particular the Judaic religions making stuff up that is different than what other religions and even other Christian religions made up. There is no such thing as a right "First day of the Week" and any such designation is just something (in this case religions) make up. Dates were a major problem and the idea of uniform dates is a really new thing. Even important dates like Easter were often observed weeks apart depending on location, season and culture. The changes in the Roman Catholic church all seem to be examples of evolution, of a return to morality and humanity; and Praise God, will hopefully lead to similar reformation particularly among "Biblical Christianity".Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Tangle writes: During that period they were predominantly a political, diplomatic, financial and military force - religion was the shop front but their purpose was power and control. They had staggering wealth and power and abused it horribly. plus a change, plus c'est la mme chose:
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Traditionally in the three Judaic Faiths including Judaism, Christianity and Islam; fasting was from Sunup to Sundown usually with a large meal right after the official sunset.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There is no Fall in the Bible and death existed before the Garden of Eden was created which is why there was a Tree of Life.
Only fools that have never honestly read the Bible believe in silliness like the Fall.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No Faith, the Bible does not say that. The author of Romans asserts that but without providing any evidence of its truth.
Faith writes: So you have no scruples about condemning the entire history of Christian theologians as fools who have never sincerely read the Bible. Correct. Fools and charlatans are the best description for the Christian Apologists. What is truly deplorable is those fools that buy their snake oil.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Amazing. Romans isn't the Bible according to you. Correct Faith. Romans is only one piece that was included in most but not all Canons. There is no such thing as "The Bible" but rather a whole variety of Bibles containing different material. And the fact remains that what you posted from Romans is a simply assertion with no evidence to support it. It is just the opinion of the author of Romans and contradicted by what is actually written in Genesis. Have you ever read the Bible Faith?
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: So why isnt the scripture from Genesis not simply an opinion also? Why do you always pick on her? Do you feel it is your call? The scripture from Genesis is also just opinion as is everything written in scripture. I've always said just that; none of the mareial found in any of the writings in any of the Bibles of any of the Canons is anything more than the opinion or the authors, redactors, editors and compilers. Yet the fact remains that there is no Fall to be found anywhere in the Bible and the author of Romans provides nothing but an unsupported assertion that is refuted by what is written in Genesis 2&3. It's ALL made up Phat. All just the product of human imagination. Edited by jar, : of not or
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