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petrophysics1 Inactive Member |
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Andrew Allegro 11 YR OLD SHOOTS ILLEGALS thanks FOX NEWS for reporting it. BUTTE , MONTANA Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders...Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home. It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun. Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the ...street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive. It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........? An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal immigrants.......and she wins. She is still alive. Now THAT is Gun Control!Thought for the day.... Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist.'I like this kind of e-mail! American citizens defending themselves and their homes. BEING A TRUE AMERICAN, I THINK YOU'LL PASS THIS ON!
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
The problem was also the police not being able to recognize an idiot when they see one. When they saw the clock they should have rolled their eyes, said, "For fuck's sake!" under their breaths and walked away. The problem was the teachers. And the problem was them being idiots, not Islamophobes. What do you think they would have done if the teacher was a Muslim?
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
See Did an 11-Year-Old Girl Shoot and Kill 'Illegal Aliens' Burglarizing Her Home? | Snopes.com:
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Even though PetroPhysics news story was made up, I guess it should be added that even real examples of armed civilians protecting themselves from criminals offer no support for the argument that guns make you safer. No one denies that such things happen. But a gun is far more likely to be used against family, friends or the owner than against criminals.
--Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The problem was also the police not being able to recognize an idiot when they see one. Again, you don't need a real bomb to make a bomb threat. You don't actually need any prop at all. The fact that someone can establish, upon investigation, that there was no bomb and no explosive is not sufficient to keep you within the law. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Provide references and sources. Original news accounts please.
Oh there are none? Typical. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
The kid said it was a clock. It was a clock. So why was he arrested for having a clock?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The kid said it was a clock. It was a clock. So why was he arrested for having a clock? I don't know exactly what the kid was arrested. My hypothesis is that he was falsely accused of making a bomb threat by the school, but I cannot say whether the blame for that is mostly on school officials or police. I don't know whether the fact that the kid looked like a middle easterner played a role in someone panicking. I doubt that anyone will admit any such thing at this point. In any case, given his age and stature, the need to put him in handcuffs does not seem readily apparent to me. I don't see any reason for not simply keeping him at the school or the police station either his parents arrived or until the investigation was completed. But, I do believe the idea that the device constituted a bomb threat is not generated by the kid. Here is a link to an article that shows other possible responses: 7 Kids Not Named Mohamed Who Brought Homemade Clocks to School And Didn't Get Arrested "7 Kids Not Named Mohamed Who Brought Homemade Clocks to School And Didn't Get Arrested" Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
It's not about "keeping you within the law". It's about using your head for something other than a hat rack. Giving the boy a lecture might have been acceptable. Taking him away in handcuffs was not.
The fact that someone can establish, upon investigation, that there was no bomb and no explosive is not sufficient to keep you within the law.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
It's about using your head for something other than a hat rack. Giving the boy a lecture might have been acceptable. That was the school's call. Assuming that they made an accusation of a bomb threat, then I have no problem with the police detaining the student until they completed their investigation. It appears that they did so in fairly short order. I agree that the handcuffs were over the top. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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NoNukes writes:
Their investigation should have been completed at the word "clock".
Assuming that they made an accusation of a bomb threat, then I have no problem with the police detaining the student until they completed their investigation.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Ringo writes: Their investigation should have been completed at the word "clock". The investigation was completed once the police determined that the student did not use a home made electronic clock as a bomb threat. That may take a little time or longer depending on what the witnesses claimed. That turns out to be a bit later in time than ringo thinks it should have taken, but that's okay with me. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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petrophysics1 Inactive Member |
NoNukes,
I have a great idea. I just did a google search for "digital alarm clock with battery backup" which is what this bomb was. There are a bunch on Amazon. They are cheap so lets buy one and take it apart. We can RTV, glue it or Velcro it into a briefcase. We are doing this because of our great interest in science and engineering. We then have ringo take it through security at an airport and see how that works out. NoNukes, you appear to be a smart guy what would be your best guess as to why someone would buy a digital alarm clock with battery backup take it apart put it in a briefcase and take it to school and claim it was a clock he made. Now you know why the police took him away in cuffs. They may not know as much about electronics as I do but I would have gotten a search warrant for his house to find the clock this stuff came from and who exactly bought it. That he made it is a lie.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Did the witness make that claim?
The investigation was completed once the police determined that the student did not use a home made electronic clock as a bomb threat. That may take a little time or longer depending on what the witnesses claimed.
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ringo Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
petrophysics1 writes:
My guess is that airport security would overreact insanely like the school and police did. You seem to be more comfortable with police-state overreactions than I am.
We then have ringo take it through security at an airport and see how that works out.
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