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NoNukes Inactive Member |
So, once he asked to phone his father, shouldn't the police have instantly stopped the questions instead of continuing through the questions for another hour? Just what does the law say about this? Exactly? My understanding, and I have never defended a juvenile, is that the law allows the child to refuse to answer questions until a parent or lawyer is present. Parents can refuse to allow the child to answer questions. But just asking to call your parents does not mean that police cannot continue to ask questions and police definitely do not have to ask parents for permission to question a child. Did the kid get his phone call in a reasonable time? Was there any improper questioning? I don't know. Do you? I might be more concerned about those points if the kid were being charged with something. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I may sound like a condescending douche, but I would not put English teachers too high on the rating scale when it comes to technical acumen. I made the same condescending assumption. I also included the school administration in this assumption. On the other hand, there was at least one teacher at the school that knew better; the first teacher the clock was shown to. My first question is why this teacher did not speak up. I also wonder if anybody at the school even opened the case? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Jon Inactive Member |
Couldn't find one, right? Not googling 'cartoon dynamite', no. But when I googled 'briefcase bomb', I found plenty that are more or less indistinct from Mohamed's toy. It's disingenuous to say the thing looks nothing like a bomb because there are plenty of rational people who could easily mistake it for just that.
Hint on those images: They include explosives. Middle school English teachers don't necessarily know that difference. You're drawing attention to a technical distinction that most people couldn't discern anyway. (I don't know what every type of explosive looks like.) Question: Why do you think Mohamed's Engineering teacher told him not to show his little toy to anyone?Love your enemies!
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Jon writes: Not googling 'cartoon dynamite', no. But when I googled 'briefcase bomb', I found plenty that are more or less indistinct from Mohamed's toy. I wasn't going to reply, but lest anyone believe I linked to a google search for "cartoon dynamite", I will. As you know, the link took you to a google bomb page that prominently featured time bombs; across the top, a sliding panel provided access to half a dozen other categories of bomb. Briefcase bombs indistinguishable from Ahmed's pencil case? Really? Which picture would that be?
Question: Why do you think Mohamed's Engineering teacher told him not to show his little toy to anyone? Because people like you staff the school administration."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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Jon Inactive Member |
Briefcase bombs indistinguishable from Ahmed's pencil case? Really? Which picture would that be? You're being ridiculous. The link is there for everyone to check out and it has examples a plenty that resemble Mohamed's toy.
Because people like you staff the school administration. What administration? We're talking about an English teacher.Love your enemies!
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Jon writes: Briefcase bombs indistinguishable from Ahmed's pencil case? Really? Which picture would that be? You're being ridiculous. The link is there for everyone to check out and it has examples a plenty that resemble Mohamed's toy.
Because people like you staff the school administration. What administration? We're talking about an English teacher. Jon previously writes: Question:Why do you think Mohamed's Engineering teacher told him not to show his little toy to anyone? Then I'll be ridiculously content for folks to check out whether the time bombs I linked to resemble Looney Tunes, and whether his pencil case resembles a briefcase. Won't you? And for you to ponder what an over-reactive administration might have to do with a teacher's advice."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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But when I googled 'briefcase bomb', I found plenty that are more or less indistinct from Mohamed's toy.
Not only are they distinct, the only thing they have in common is wires and a rectangular shape.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Reference, please?
ringo writes:
Apparently so. Did the school suggest that Ahmed had made a threat? NoNukes writes:
There's always a possibility that the police acted correctly. But the possibility that they didn't act correctly requires a certain amount of proactive indignation.
What i have heard so far does not preclude the possibility that the police acted correctly. I don't see any reason to rush to express my indignation.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
Of course you know that all of us who googled "bomb" are going to be on somebody's Watch List now.
But when I googled 'briefcase bomb'....
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Not only are they distinct, the only thing they have in common is wires and a rectangular shape. Lol! Actually, there was a pair of images that looked exactly like the student clock. Because they were pictures of the student clock. The vast majority of the pictures feature some prominent explosives. The ones that did not have explosives were not bombs either. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
There's always a possibility that the police acted correctly. But the possibility that they didn't act correctly requires a certain amount of proactive indignation. Your indignation accomplishes nothing. For that matter posting to EvC accomplishes nothing. What is required is demanding answers from the authorities about what happened and following up with an independent investigation. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Jon Inactive Member |
Yes.
God bless Amuhrica!Love your enemies!
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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NoNukes writes:
Don't be silly. Wasn't Martin Luther King indignant?
Your indignation accomplishes nothing. NoNukes writes:
What motivates the demand for answers if not indignation? If you're okay with what's happening, are you likely to demand answers?
What is required is demanding answers from the authorities about what happened and following up with an independent investigation.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 99 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
I take it, from the article referring to the shooter as a "witness", that the police have not even arrested him ?
If so, I think I've worked out how to commit the perfect murder in Texas.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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