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Omnivorous
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Message 9 of 243 (736191)
09-04-2014 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by petrophysics1
09-04-2014 7:55 PM


Re: On fats (yum!)
My maternal grandmother was born in 1892; she died in 2000, just shy of her 108th birthday--my mother had passed a month before, at 79, after bypass surgery at 59 and after 20 years of low-fat diets and anti-cholesterol drugs: "My baby girl is dead, and I don't want to live any more" she cried at my mom's service. She passed in her sleep a month later.

Grandma ate bacon and eggs every morning--but with just one piece of thickly buttered white bread, because "That white food will make you fat." She drank strong black coffee pretty much 24/7. Other than breakfast, she ate mostly small, frequent servings of meat--red meat, didn't care for chicken or fish--along with greens served with butter and salt. She saved her bacon fat to add to the greens as they boiled.

My last employer before retirement was a private cardiology practice. Under pressure there, I tried a low fat diet and quickly gained 20 lbs. Screw this, I thought, and switched back to eating what I wanted--mostly salads, green veggies and, most of all, meat. I quickly lost the added weight. I confess I enjoyed their consternation as I plowed into steaks and chili and cheese in the break room and stayed trim, while they struggled with weight even with their low fat diets in hand

About 8 years later, I needed cardiac clearance prior to spine surgery. My employers ran me through the full gamut--stress test, echocardiogram, nuclear stress test, etc. They gave me many sad and solemn looks during testing, as if to say, we all know this can't be good.

When the testing was complete, I joined the physician studying the various images in the "reading room".

He looked at me, he looked at the screen, he looked at me and said, "You don't deserve this heart." I though, bullshit, you need better data.

I still eat as I did then. My blood pressure hovers around 110/60; my resting pulse around 60, even though my physical activity is now severely limited. My cholesterol levels are, as they have always been--and as my grandma's were--fairly high.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not recommending anything to anyone: I don't want the responsibility.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Omnivorous
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From: Adirondackia
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Message 154 of 243 (758523)
05-27-2015 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Jon
05-27-2015 4:07 PM


Re: Demonstrating that Saturated Fat Doesn't Cause Heart Disease
Jon writes:

The food industry is also likely responsible for the exception of fully hydrogenated oils from the ban and not some wild beliefs that coming from vegetables makes things better.

Well, sure.

Grease is speech.


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Omnivorous
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Message 202 of 243 (769645)
09-23-2015 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by ringo
09-23-2015 12:39 PM


Re: Fat is Making a Comeback
ringo writes:

By the time I'm dead, all the things that have been bad for me all my life will be good for me.

Sacrifice pleasure for longevity?

I like to think about the people who will be shocked when they die of nothing.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
Member (Idle past 395 days)
Posts: 3811
From: Adirondackia
Joined: 07-21-2005


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Message 209 of 243 (769761)
09-24-2015 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Faith
09-24-2015 10:38 AM


Re: trying to lose weight by cutting carbs
Faith writes:

Weight problems are so much a product of diet history it's hard to know exactly what to do.

I never had a problem with weight until I could no longer burn lots of calories; I can't sustain any kind of cardio workout now, and so, jokes aside, I do have to be careful.

I eat pretty much what I want, within certain guidelines:

No processed food. That's huge: they are calorically dense beyond our ev....eh, experience.

Avoid snacks, esp. sugary snacks, between meals; don't fill your plate more than once.

Eat more veggies, fruits and whole grains than flesh; eat more chicken and fish than beef and pork.

Being me, I break all those rules, but not too often.

I gained 20 lbs. last fall/winter, working with a master carpenter to put board-and batten on the outside of my cabin, and clear western cedar on the high ceiling. You probably didn't know that 'master carpenter" is local dialect for 'drinks many beers'. So I limited those in the spring, and now work alone. I've lost most of that 20. I got started by fasting on Sundays for the first month of desperately seeking weight loss.

I'm leery of diets altogether, esp. those that posit extreme ratios on food groups or rule one out altogether.

Are we not omnivores?


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Omnivorous
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Message 227 of 243 (776114)
01-08-2016 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by Hyroglyphx
01-08-2016 5:56 PM


Re: 2015 Dietary Guidelines Released
Hyroglphx writes:

These recommendations change all the time. First they said cut fat from your diet, now they say "no, only cut certain fats from your diet but load up on others."

Don't forget that these guidelines are heavily lobbied by food and agricultural interests.

They're not telling us what their panel of experts think is best--they're telling us what could get through the lobby walls. The advisory committee drafted guidelines that take into account the increasingly clear link between red meat and processed meats and colon cancer; they also sought to highlight an environmentally sustainable diet. Both were nixed in response to lobbying.

We get guidelines that are the best available when filtered through lobbyists with no interest in our health.

The US Releases New Dietary Guidelines, And Experts Say They're Unclear

quote:
The guidelines, which influence public health policy, including decisions like how school lunch menus are created, will be in effect until the next set of guidelines is created in 2020. They are updated every five years based on recommendations from an advisory panel of scientists, doctors, and public health policy experts, and are supposed to include the latest evidence-based recommendations for food consumption for the public. This year, for instance, the government came down hard on sugar and lifted its warnings on cholesterol, but refrained from making any bold statements on red meat just months after the World Health Organization announced new warnings on the link between red meat and cancer.

The disparity between the US guidelines and those of other groups, as well as the frequent changes to the guidelines, have led to a sense of distrust among Americans, according to some experts and critics, who say that the influence of the food industry and politicians in determining what guidelines actually get passed along to the public undercut their authority. And the American public, they say, desperately needs clarity: more than one-third of Americans are obese, according to the Centers for Disease Control.

"Some parts of it I think you can trust and other parts I question the intentions," said Vasenti Malik, a researcher in the nutrition department at Harvard's T.H. Chan School of Public Health.


School lunches until 2020--don't worry, kids, plenty of hot dogs and ass cancers for all, courtesy of K Street.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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