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Message 4276 of 5179 (770367)
10-04-2015 11:34 AM
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understanding real causes would lead to real solutions.
Yeah, right. Charles Whitman murdered 16 people from the clock tower on the campus of the University of Texas in Austin in 1966. Poking around a bit on the Internet it's easy to go further back in time. Neinz Schmidt killed 5 at a school in 1913. Mass shootings have increased along with the increase in gun prevalence.
And with population growth and growth in social stress factors, like income inequality growth, loss of economic security and good paying jobs, trashing of unions and increased disrespect for working people and unions.
We need to look at other factors that differentiate us from other countries that don't have this problem, especially ones that do allow guns and what their restrictions are.
Drugs is not so much a cause but a symptom, not just of demoralizing economic\job prospects, but of corporate pharmaceutic greed marketing more drugs as solutions (it would be better if everyone were drug users) and then more drugs to treat the side effects.
Impaired driving from prescription pain killers is rising to the level of alcohol abuse.
Most gun deaths are suicides and domestic disputes, so if we can reduce those occurrences it will reduce gun deaths. This is a social problem, and cannot be fixed by "market forces" so a capitalistic centric system cannot but fail to deal with the underlying problem as it will just push more "solutions" to symptoms (for profit) rather than treat the real issues.
Better medical attention to stress and the resulting health issues would help, and certainly providing universal single payer health, including mental and dental, would reduce stress on families with minimal funds.
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Message 4277 of 5179 (770368)
10-04-2015 1:10 PM
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Increase in killings, psychotropic drugs, moral degeneration, conspiracies
  • One mass killing in 1966 and one in 1913 is hardly a fair comparison to the spate of such killings since the 90s. ABE: Just saw your link. Are you going to claim there hasn't been a HUGE increase since the 90s or at least 80s? Your own list makes the point. /ABE There's been a dramatic increase which has become a major excuse for blaming the Second Amendment.
  • You say there has been no death of Christian morality. I'm talking of course about BIBLICAL Christian morality. The point is what the society as whole supports and especially legalizes, not focusing on individuals.
    Here's a list off the top of my head:
    • Abortion made legal
    • Tolerance of sex outside marriage, popularized among celebrities (even Prince William and Kate in England lived together before marrying); rise in single parent families as a result {"Thou shalt not commit adultery" which includes all sex outside marriage)
    • Eased divorce laws ("God hates divorce")
    • Nineteen states have eliminated the death penalty (scripture says whoever takes a human life must forfeit his own because human beings are made in the image of God)
    • God's marriage ordinance extended to homosexuals, though homosexuality is defined as a sin in scripture.
  • I did support the role of psychotropic drugs in Message 4213 and Message 4217:
    Here's one:
    LIST OF MASS KILLINGS.
    This list of killings goes back to the 80s; it also includes killings by other means than guns; it also includes a few in other countries:
    Fact: At least 35 school shootings and/or school-related acts of violence have been committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs resulting in 169 wounded and 79 killed (in other school shootings, information about their drug use was never made publicneither confirming or refuting if they were under the influence of prescribed drugs). The most important fact about this list, is that these are only cases where the information about their psychiatric drug use was made public. (See full list below)
    The below list includes individuals documented to have been under the influence of psychiatric drugs and not only includes mass shootings, but the use of knives, swords and bombs. 22 international drug regulatory agency warnings cite side effects including mania, violence, psychosis and even homicidal ideation.
    1.Tallahassee, Florida — November 20, 2014: 31-year-old Myron May, a Florida State University alum, opened fire in the school’s library, wounding three before he was shot and killed by police. ABC Action News found a half-filled prescription for the antianxiety drug Hydroxyzine in his apartment after the shooting. In addition, according to May’s friends, he had seen a psychologist and had been prescribed the antidepressant Wellbutrin and the ADHD drug Vyvanse. He also checked himself in to a mental health center called Mesilla Valley Hospital around September of 2014. Shortly after this, his friends discovered the antipsychotic Seroquel among his prescriptions.
    2.Seattle, Washington — June 5, 2014: 26-year-old Aaron Ybarra opened fire with a shotgun at Seattle Pacific University, killing one student and wounding two others. Ybarra planned to kill as many people as possible and then kill himself. In 2012, Ybarra reported that he had been prescribed the antidepressant Prozac and antipsychotic Risperdal. A report from his counselor in December of 2013 said that he was taking Prozac at the time and planned to continue to meet with his psychiatrist and therapist as needed.
    3.Milford, Connecticut — April 25, 2014: 16-year-old Chris Plaskon stabbed Maren Sanchez, also 16, to death in a stairwell at Jonathan Law High School after she turned down his prom invitation. According to classmates and a former close friend, Chris was taking drugs for ADHD.
    4.Sparks, Nevada — October 21, 2013: 12-year-old Jose Reyes opened fire at Sparks Middle School, killing a teacher and wounding two classmates before committing suicide. The investigation revealed that he had been seeing a psychiatrist and had a generic version of Prozac (fluoxetine) in his system at the time of death.
    5.St. Louis, Missouri — January 15, 2013: 34-year-old Sean Johnson walked onto the Stevens Institute of Business & Arts campus and shot the school’s financial aid director once in the chest, then shot himself in the torso. Johnson had been taking prescribed drugs for an undisclosed mental illness.
    6.Snohomish County, Washington — October 24, 2011: A 15-year-old girl went to Snohomish High School where police alleged that she stabbed a girl as many as 25 times just before the start of school, and then stabbed another girl who tried to help her injured friend. Prior to the attack the girl had been taking medication and seeing a psychiatrist. Court documents said the girl was being treated for depression.
    7.Planoise, France — December 13, 2010: A 17-year-old youth held twenty pre-school children and their teacher hostage for hours at Charles Fourier preschool. The teen was reported to be on medication for depression. He took a classroom hostage with two swords. Eventually, all the children and the teacher were released safely.
    8.Myrtle Beach, South Carolina — September 21, 2011: 14-year-old Christian Helms had two pipe bombs in his backpack, when he shot and wounded Socastee High School’s resource (police) officer. However the officer was able to stop the student before he could do anything further. Helms had been taking drugs for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and depression.
    9.Huntsville, Alabama — February 5, 2010: 15-year-old Hammad Memon shot and killed another Discover Middle School student Todd Brown. Memon had a history for being treated for ADHD and depression. He was taking the antidepressant Zoloft and other drugs for the conditions. He had been seeing a psychiatrist and psychologist.
    10.Kauhajoki, Finland — September 23, 2008: 22-year-old culinary student Matti Saari shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine. He was also seeing a psychologist.
    11.Fresno, California — April 24, 2008: 17-year-old Jesus Jesse Carrizales attacked the Fresno high school’s officer, hitting him in the head with a baseball bat. After knocking the officer down, the officer shot Carrizales in self-defense, killing him. Carrizales had been prescribed Lexapro and Geodon, and his autopsy showed that he had a high dose of the antidepressant Lexapro in his blood that could have caused him to be paranoid, according to the coroner.
    12.Dekalb, Illinois — February 14, 2008: 27-year-old Steven Kazmierczak shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amount of Xanax in his system. He had been seeing a psychiatrist.
    13.Jokela, Finland — November 7, 2007: 18-year-old Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School in southern Finland, then committed suicide.
    14.Texas — November 7, 2007: 17-year-old Felicia McMillan returned to her former Robert E. Lee High School campus and stabbed a male student and wounded the principle with a knife. McMillan had been on drugs for depression, and had just taken them the night before the incident.
    15.Cleveland, Ohio — October 10, 2007: 14-year-old Asa Coon stormed through his school with a gun in each hand, shooting and wounding four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.
    16.Sudbury, Massachusetts — January 19, 2007: 16-year-old John Odgren stabbed another student with a large kitchen knife in a boy’s bathroom at Lincoln-Sudbury Regional High School. In court his father testified that Odgren was prescribed the drug Ritalin.
    17.North Vernon, Indiana — December 4, 2006: 16-year-old Travis Roberson stabbed another Jennings County High School student in the neck, nearly severing an artery. Roberson was in withdrawal from Wellbutrin, which he had stopped taking days before the attack.
    18.Hillsborough, North Carolina — August 30, 2006: 19-year-old Alvaro Rafael Castillo shot and killed his father, then drove to Orange High School where he opened fire. Two students were injured in the shooting, which ended when school personnel tackled him. His mother said he was on drugs for depression.
    19.Chapel Hill, North Carolina — April 2006: 17-year-old William Barrett Foster took a shotgun to school and took a teacher and a fellow student hostage at East Chapel Hill High School. After being talked out of shooting the hostages, Foster fired two shots through a classroom window before fleeing the school on foot. Foster’s father testified that his son had stopped taking his antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs without telling him.
    20.Red Lake, Minnesota — March 21, 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise, on Prozac, shot and killed his grandparents, then went to his school on the Red Lake Indian Reservation where he shot dead 5 students, a security guard, and a teacher, and wounded 7 before killing himself.
    21.Greenbush, New York — February 2004: 16-year-old Jon Romano strolled into his high school in east Greenbush and opened fire with a shotgun. Special education teacher Michael Bennett was hit in the leg. Romano had been taking medication for depression. He had previously seen a psychiatrist.
    22.Red Lion, Pennsylvania — February 2, 2001: 56-year-old William Michael Stankewicz entered North Hopewell-Winterstown Elementary School with a machete, leaving three adults and 11 children injured. Stankewicz was taking four different drugs for depression and anxiety weeks before the attacks.
    23.Ikeda, Japan — June 8, 2001: 37-year-old Mamoru Takuma, wielding a 6-inch knife, slipped into an elementary school and stabbed eight first- and second-graders to death while wounding at least 15 other pupils and teachers. He then turned the knife on himself but suffered only superficial wounds. He later told interrogators that before the attack he had taken 10 times his normal dose of antidepressants.
    24.Wahluke, Washington — April 10, 2001: Sixteen-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage. He had been taking the antidepressant Effexor.
    25.El Cajon, California — March 22, 2001: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman, on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor, opened fire on his classmates, wounding three students and two teachers at Granite Hills High School. He had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.
    26.Williamsport, Pennsylvania — March 7, 2001: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was taking the antidepressant Prozac when she shot at fellow students, wounding one.
    27.Oxnard, California — January 2001: 17-year-old Richard Lopez went to Hueneme High School with a gun and shot twice at a car in the school’s parking lot before taking a female student hostage. Lopez was eventually killed by a SWAT officer. He had been prescribed Prozac, Paxil and drugs that helped him go to sleep.
    28.Conyers, Georgia — May 20, 1999: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with the stimulant Ritalin when he opened fire on and wounded six of his classmates.
    29.Columbine, Colorado — April 20, 1999: 18-year-old Eric Harris and his accomplice, Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students and a teacher and wounded 26 others before killing themselves. Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox. Klebold’s medical records remain sealed. Both shooters had been in anger-management classes and had undergone counseling. Harris had been seeing a psychiatrist before the shooting.
    30.Notus, Idaho — April 16, 1999: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school, narrowly missing students. He was taking a prescribed antidepressant and Ritalin.
    31.Springfield, Oregon — May 21, 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 25. Kinkel had been taking the antidepressant Prozac. Kinkel had been attending anger control classes and was under the care of a psychologist.
    32.Blackville, South Carolina — October 12, 1995: 15-year-old Toby R. Sincino slipped into the Blackville-Hilda High School’s rear entrance, where he shot two Blackville-Hilda High School teachers, killing one. Then Toby killed himself moments later. His aunt, Carolyn McCreary, said he had been undergoing counseling with the Department of Mental Health and was taking Zoloft for emotional problems.
    33.Chelsea, Michigan — December 17, 1993: 39-year-old chemistry teacher Stephen Leith, facing a disciplinary matter at Chelsea High School, shot Superintendent Joseph Piasecki to death, shot Principal Ron Mead in the leg, and slightly wounded journalism teacher Phil Jones. Leith was taking Prozac and had been seeing a psychiatrist.
    34.Houston, Texas — September 18, 1992: 44-year-old Calvin Charles Bell, reportedly upset about his second-grader’s progress report, appeared in the principal’s office of Piney Point Elementary School. Bell fired a gun in the school, and eventually wounded two officers before surrendering. Relatives told police on Friday that Bell was an unemployed Vietnam veteran and had been taking anti-depressants.
    35.Winnetka, Illinois — 20 May 1988: 30-year-old Laurie Wasserman Dann walked into a second grade classroom at Hubbard Woods School in Winnetka, Illinois carrying three pistols and began shooting children, killing an eight-year-old boy, and wounding five others before fleeing. She entered a nearby house where she shot and wounded a 20-year-old man before killing herself. Dann had been seeing a psychiatrist and subsequent blood tests revealed that at the time of the killings, she was taking the antidepressant Anafranil.
    Here's a list of warnings on these drugs: Psychiatric Drugs and Violence -- the Facts
    Such as this one in the US:
    The Drug Regulatory Agency Warnings on Psychiatric drugs and violence:
    United States, November 2005: The FDA’s Safety Information and Adverse Event Reporting Program reported homicidal ideation as an adverse event of Effexor ER (extended release).
    Read the list. Homicidal ideation, suicidal ideation, bizarre behavior, violence, delusions of grandeur.... attributed to these drugs.
  • As for the conspiracies I'm starting a new blog to collect information on all that, but it will be a while before it's worth checking out.
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Message 4278 of 5179 (770369)
10-04-2015 1:56 PM
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10-04-2015 1:10 PM


Re: Increase in killings, psychotropic drugs, moral degeneration, conspiracies
Amazing how the ammoland article gives no references to support the assertions.
So you want to ban everyone with mental health issues from owning guns? The ammosexuals won't allow basic background checks, how are they going to go along with this. This is all just a red herring.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 4279 of 5179 (770370)
10-04-2015 2:08 PM
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Re: Increase in killings, psychotropic drugs, moral degeneration, conspiracies
Faith writes:
Here's a list off the top of my head:
  • Abortion made legal
  • Tolerance of sex outside marriage, popularized among celebrities (even Prince William and Kate in England lived together before marrying); rise in single parent families as a result {"Thou shalt not commit adultery" which includes all sex outside marriage)
  • Eased divorce laws ("God hates divorce")
  • Nineteen states have eliminated the death penalty (scripture says whoever takes a human life must forfeit his own because human beings are made in the image of God)
  • God's marriage ordinance extended to homosexuals, though homosexuality is defined as a sin in scripture.
A couple more to add to your list:
  • In God We Trust added to our money
  • Under God add to the Pledge of Allegiance

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    Message 4280 of 5179 (770371)
    10-04-2015 2:09 PM
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    10-03-2015 3:08 PM


    Re: a social problem with a social solution
    Faith writes:
    "Thin the herd" isn't something that would ever be in God's will.
    *COUGH* Flood *COUGH*

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    Message 4281 of 5179 (770372)
    10-04-2015 2:15 PM
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    10-04-2015 8:27 AM


    Re: Prayer works if you do it right
    Faith writes:
    You do make it hard to love you, but I'm not giving up.
    It isn't always easy to love you either but we (some of us) do - and we don't even have a god telling us to.

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    Message 4282 of 5179 (770376)
    10-04-2015 4:10 PM
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    Re: Prayer works if you do it right
    You ARE my enemies. I couldn't pray for my enemies if you weren't my enemies could I?
    This reminds me of a funny situation in my state. North Carolina State University insists that they have a basketball rivalry with the University of North Carolina. However that perceived animosity turns out to be a relationship that UNC does not deign to notice or acknowledge. UNC's rivalry is with Duke.

    Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
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    Message 4283 of 5179 (770378)
    10-04-2015 4:38 PM
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    10-04-2015 1:56 PM


    Re: Increase in killings, psychotropic drugs, moral degeneration, conspiracies
    So you want to ban everyone with mental health issues from owning guns? The ammosexuals won't allow basic background checks, how are they going to go along with this. This is all just a red herring.
    It's the DRUGS that are the cause of the violence, not the mental illness. And I don't know how to use this information since I got talked out of one idea I had. But I would think it would be of interest to know, whether we have a solution or not, if these drugs are associated with all these killings.
    But I also keep mentioning the demoralization of the country as a cause and I think it is. Abortion devalues life and some people take that personally: my mom could have aborted me, she'd never have known after all. Divorce usually takes fathers away from the family which can create a lot of insecurity for children, especially boys; also forces mothers to work so two parents are often away. Same effect with the single-parent situation often caused by irresponsible sex. No, not ALL such situations have negative consequences, but surely enough do to contribute to the mental health issues in the nation. The general devaluation of marriage is a recipe for chaos and insecurity in itself. And excuse me but homosexual marriage is basically a mockery which any prepubescent child can figure out even if they conform to the politically correct talking points, which has to create a schizoid mentality to some extent.

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    Message 4284 of 5179 (770380)
    10-04-2015 5:31 PM
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    Re: Prayer works if you do it right
    ... North Carolina State University insists that they have a basketball rivalry with the University of North Carolina. However that perceived animosity turns out to be a relationship that UNC does not deign to notice or acknowledge. UNC's rivalry is with Duke.
    It's a 3-way ...
    Enjoy
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    Message 4285 of 5179 (770381)
    10-04-2015 5:37 PM
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    Re: Increase in killings, psychotropic drugs, moral degeneration, conspiracies
    It's the DRUGS that are the cause of the violence, ...
    ... and firing guns releases an adrenaline rush that can be addictive ...
    But I also keep mentioning the demoralization of the country as a cause and I think it is. ...
    Indeed, when half of US workers are paid minimum wage or less it is demoralizing in a grand scale. When you have to work two jobs to make ends meet you don't have time to feel good.
    That's why the majority of gun deaths are suicides and domestic violence.
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    Message 4286 of 5179 (770385)
    10-04-2015 6:08 PM
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    Re: Increase in killings, psychotropic drugs, moral degeneration, conspiracies
    Faith writes:
    It's the DRUGS that are the cause of the violence,
    Are Americans more mentally ill than the Swiss or Canadians?

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    Message 4287 of 5179 (770386)
    10-04-2015 6:09 PM
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    Re: Prayer works if you do it right
    It isn't always easy to love you either but we (some of us) do - and we don't even have a god telling us to.
    Should be even easier once I get used to this love thing. You should be glad Jesus is telling me to love you all because it isn't in me to love people who have such radically (obnoxiously) different opinions from mine, and one thing I've discovered here is what a temper I have. Tired of having it get the better of me, but I think Jesus finally got hold of me this time. I'll never love your opinions but if Jesus loves you through me it should make us all a bit happier.

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    Message 4288 of 5179 (770387)
    10-04-2015 6:11 PM
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    Re: Increase in killings, psychotropic drugs, moral degeneration, conspiracies
    Probably in a different way.

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    Message 4289 of 5179 (770389)
    10-04-2015 7:31 PM
    Reply to: Message 4271 by Larni
    10-04-2015 9:25 AM


    Re: Oregon college shooter targeted Christians
    Hi, Larni.
    Larni writes:
    The sad fact is that Americans do not seem to be able to be trusted not to go on killing sprees.
    I realize you're just making a rhetorical point, but I think the way you've phrased it is a bit unfair.
    The vast majority of Americans can be trusted to not go on killing sprees.
    In fact, the vast majority of American gun-lovers can be trusted to not go on killing sprees.
    I recently learned that this was called an ecological fallacy: assigning group statistics to individuals from the group.

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    Message 4290 of 5179 (770390)
    10-04-2015 7:32 PM
    Reply to: Message 4286 by Tangle
    10-04-2015 6:08 PM


    Re: Increase in killings, psychotropic drugs, moral degeneration, conspiracies
    Tangle writes:
    Are Americans more mentally ill than the Swiss or Canadians?
    Don't underestimate our crazy.
    From a WHO report in 2011, cited in The Atlantic:
    quote:
    Over a 12-month period, 27 percent of adults in the U.S. will experience some sort of mental health disorder, making the U.S. the country with the highest prevalence. Mental health disorders include mood disorders, anxiety disorders, attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder, and substance abuse. Over one’s entire lifetime, the average American has a 47.4 percent chance of having any kind of mental health disorder. Yes, that’s almost one in two. The projected lifetime prevalence is even higher: for people who reach age 75 it is 55 percent. The WHO data does not take into account eating disorders, personality disorders, and schizophrenia; the incidence of these disorders together is about 15 percent in the U.S., according to the National Institute of Mental Health.
    It would be more practical to register the Normals.

    "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
    Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
    -Terence

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