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Author Topic:   Is Christianity Evil?
Faith 
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Message 22 of 120 (761972)
07-07-2015 6:10 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Tangle
07-06-2015 1:09 PM


Re: Division
- only people that subscribe to their brand can get to heaven
I have to suppose that this is a garbled version of the teaching that Jesus died for our sins so that we won't go to Hell. Some denominations don't clearly preach this at all.
- babies that die before being christened can't get to heaven
Sounds Catholic to me. Nothing in the Bible supports this, but I suppose you are only interested in what some denominations say rather than what the Bible says.
- contraception is a mortal sin for which you go to hell
Definitely Catholic. It's weird how Catholicism divides sin into categories. The Bible makes it clear any sin whatever leads to Hell, and the only salvation from Hell is belief in Christ's death in our place.
- people are born with sin
Now that is Biblical. We wouldn't need salvation if it weren't true.
- women are inferior creatures
There is nothing whatever in the Bible that says such a thing. Historically men may have believed it nevertheless.
- the church can be super rich whilst taking money from the poor and preaching that you must give to the poor
Only the Catholic church could be called "super rich" -- oh except for some televangelists who fleece the flock, but they aren't a church. And while wealth is morally neutral, greed for it is a sin.
- you can buy indulgences
Catholic lie.
- prayer works
It certainly does if you believe rightly.
- heretics can be lawfully killed
Catholic evil.
- you can wage holy wars
I don't know who believes or teaches this. Wars just happen when there is unresolvable conflict. but it's far from the spirit of Biblical Christianity.
-- and so on
All in all an amazingly garbled list. Anything that deviates from the Bible and calls itself Christianity could be called evil though.

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Message 24 of 120 (761980)
07-07-2015 8:04 AM
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07-07-2015 8:02 AM


Re: Division
Since when is truth determined by popularity?

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Message 66 of 120 (769407)
09-20-2015 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by GDR
09-20-2015 4:32 PM


In the end, it isn't about our theology, it is about our hearts, and frankly in spite of what Christian fundamentalists will tell you, that position is Biblical.
Not according to Jeremiah, who said "the heart is deceitful above all things, who can know it?"
The love we are to have does not come from our own deceitful hearts, it comes from the Holy Spirit and that takes a lot of growing into for some of us.

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Faith 
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Message 109 of 120 (770413)
10-05-2015 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by jar
10-05-2015 9:04 AM


Re: Marketing A Message
jar writes:
... there is absolutely no evidence that Paul ever had a job, profession or did any work. He was not a shoemaker, fisherman, carpenter or ditch digger. Yet he had money, food, clothing, shelter.
It is well known that Paul made his living as a tentmaker:
ACTS 18:3
King James Bible
And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
And because he was of the same craft, Art, occupation, or trade:
he abode with them; in the same house in which they were:
and wrought; with his own hands, to support himself, for he was a stranger in this place; and as yet here was no church to minister to him; and when there was, he would take nothing of them, that the false teachers, who rose up among them, might not make any handle of it against him, and to the prejudice of the Gospel; though otherwise he thought it his just due to receive a maintenance from the churches; and insisted upon it as an ordination of Christ.

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Faith 
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Message 114 of 120 (770436)
10-05-2015 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by jar
10-05-2015 3:00 PM


Re: Marketing A Message
If you are influencing anyone with your slander that's a crying shame. You attack Paul's character even where the scripture goes out of its way to describe him as sacrificing himself for the gospel, as someone who is the least likely of all people to be concerned about his own status, who suffered whippings and beatings and imprisonments in his mission to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. Yes, the gospel of Jesus Christ, not something of his own invention. Go read the right hand margin of that site I linked:
ACTS 18:3
And Gill is one of the best of the best commentators on the Bible. Why should we trust your sour made-up hatred of everything truly Christian over these worthies? Sad if anybody takes your comments seriously.

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Faith 
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Message 116 of 120 (770459)
10-05-2015 11:13 PM
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10-05-2015 6:51 PM


Re: Marketing A Message
The strange thing is that you are so completely unaware of the fact that when YOU give YOUR interpretation of the Bible, YOUR idea of what it seems to YOU to so clearly say, thinking how YOU read it is just what it says but nobody but YOU reads it that way, that what YOU are doing is acting like the "apologists" you decry. You're being a commentator. And a horrifically bad one. Gill on the other hand is the best of the best.

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