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ringo
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Message 16 of 38 (771026)
10-17-2015 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Greatest I am
10-16-2015 7:10 PM


Greatest I am writes:

You can either show you have manners as they relate to your last post or bite me.


You can either discuss the topic or run away. Let's try again:
quote:
Analyzing numbers is a ridiculous method for determining whether or not we have a new order. What's the threshold for "new"? If the number of people who die next year declines again, do we have a "newer" order?
You need to establish a cause-and-effect relationship between wars/deaths and order, not just a correlation (if there even is a correlation). Show us that the body count is declining because of a new order.

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Message 17 of 38 (776666)
01-18-2016 3:04 AM
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10-14-2015 3:43 PM


New Secular Order Has Problems
We should actually promote a NWO just so that we can know who owns us and demand a redistribution of wealth and an end to poverty.
The challenge is in the unification of "we". People rarely bite the hand that feeds them, even if they abhor the wealthy.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Message 18 of 38 (776681)
01-18-2016 10:24 AM
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01-18-2016 3:04 AM


Re: New Secular Order Has Problems
Phat

True to a point but the filthy rich were not supposed to get as greedy as they have.

Have a look and tell us if you think that the situation is getting immoral on the part of the rich.

http://www.upworthy.com/...ng-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

To me, it begins to look like we all belong to some oligarch.

There is no bill of sale but we are all slaves.

Regards
DL


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Message 19 of 38 (776722)
01-19-2016 7:29 AM
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01-18-2016 10:24 AM


Re: New Secular Order Has Problems
Greatest I am writes:

There is no bill of sale but we are all slaves.

Speak for yourself. I'm not a slave to anyone.

To me it seems as if you want to be a slave. To me, personally, you seem to be quite pathetic as you want to be a slave.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


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Tangle
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Message 20 of 38 (776723)
01-19-2016 7:35 AM


62 people
I don't know about a new world order but it was announced this week that 62 people have more money than 50% of the world's population combined (3.6 billion people).

Something is very, very broken

http://www.nydailynews.com/...y-poorest-50-article-1.2500284

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Message 21 of 38 (776725)
01-19-2016 8:11 AM
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01-19-2016 7:35 AM


Re: 62 people
Tangle writes:

I don't know about a new world order but this week it was announced this week that 62 people have more money than 50% of the world's population combined (3.6 billion people).
Something is very, very broken

http://www.nydailynews.com/...y-poorest-50-article-1.2500284

Yes, and the President of my country who got a private residence built from taxpayers money. And he got millions from taxpayers. Yet, he just had a twentieth child from his seventh wife. All being paid for by taxpayers, of course.
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Message 22 of 38 (776736)
01-19-2016 11:14 AM
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01-19-2016 7:29 AM


Re: New Secular Order Has Problems
Pressie

Enjoy some comedy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY

Regards
DL


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Message 23 of 38 (776738)
01-19-2016 11:19 AM
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01-19-2016 7:35 AM


Re: 62 people
Tangle

That happens because the masses will not make moral judgements thanks to their slave conditioning of kowtowing to their masters.

I have posted this often while asking if it is showing an immoral situation and almost no one judges it at all.

http://www.upworthy.com/...ng-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

With that kind of slavish mentality, the masses will never live in the democracies they crave and will just settle for the oligarchies we all live in.

We need a French Revolution across the whole world.

Regards
DL


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Message 24 of 38 (776739)
01-19-2016 11:41 AM
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01-19-2016 11:19 AM


Re: 62 people
GIA writes:

We need a French Revolution across the whole world.

The French are no different.

Communism is the anwer, sadly that doesn't work either.

The nearest we've achieved are the liberal democracies of Scandanavia, and they're hardly perfect.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 25 of 38 (776740)
01-19-2016 11:51 AM
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01-19-2016 11:41 AM


Re: 62 people
Tangle

We have never really had a communist nation with a flat socio economic demographic pyramid. Even Russia and China have/had hierarchical shapes to theirs.

We need to have democracy dismantle our present oligarchies and produce a moral looking socio economic demographic pyramid for the whole world.

That is the moral way to go.

At present, conditions are such that those at the top are protected the way no one else is as the system protects their money and position. That is a form of eugenics at work.

I am putting links to a lot of information below. I hope you have the time to have a look at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQYA9Qjsi0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-rpkZe2OEo

Regards
DL


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Message 26 of 38 (776742)
01-19-2016 12:15 PM
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01-19-2016 11:51 AM


Re: 62 people
GIA writes:

We have never really had a communist nation with a flat socio economic demographic pyramid. Even Russia and China have/had hierarchical shapes to theirs.

You need to ask yourself why? They had great moral ambitions but all failed.

It's generally called 'the human condition'. We're born to compete and look after our own. Social morality grows only very slowly. We're not ready to share fairly yet; as a species we're still childlike and greedy.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 27 of 38 (776745)
01-19-2016 1:03 PM
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01-19-2016 12:15 PM


History
It would be interesting to see how this inequity has changed over time. It appears to be worse now than a decade or 3 ago. Maybe the worst in the last century.

Is it as bad as the late 1800's in the era of the robber barons?

How does it compare to medieval Europe's feudal societies?


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Message 28 of 38 (776746)
01-19-2016 1:34 PM
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01-19-2016 1:03 PM


Re: History
The word has always been massively unequal. But I suspect the real gap was wider then than now. Or another way of putting it, it's probably better to be poor today, than rich then.

The reason is the way GDP was static for thousands of years, then grew exponentially after the enlightenment and industrial revolution. (But, of course this is a very western-centric view of the world.)


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 29 of 38 (776762)
01-19-2016 7:05 PM
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01-19-2016 12:15 PM


Re: 62 people
Tangle

You seem to be saying that what I think are our strong points to be deficits for mankind.

The ambition to have us all the same is hardly moral. It may in fact be immoral. We used to think eugenics to equalize us all to be immoral. I think it still is.

I do not see us as greedy but do recognize we have a selfish gene that wants to see each of us become the best or fittest of our species. I see nothing wrong with our instincts and would not try to work against them.

If you know of Jung and Freud's Father Complex, you will know that our instincts drive us to compete so as to make us the fittest. If they did no, the weak would definitely inherit the earth, as Jesus put it, but that goes completely against nature.

The drive to the greatest fitness is not a deficit but man's greatest asset.

Regards
DL


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Message 30 of 38 (776763)
01-19-2016 7:10 PM
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01-19-2016 1:03 PM


Re: History
NosyNed

Have a look at this graph and see that the robber barons of yesteryear are still with us and sitting at the extreme right of this graph.

http://www.upworthy.com/...ng-about-this-mind-blowing-fact-2

I also just picked this up and may be the latest information.

http://www.nydailynews.com/...y-poorest-50-article-1.2500284

Regards
DL


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