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Author Topic:   Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka?
Stile
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Message 5 of 372 (771138)
10-21-2015 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
10-19-2015 4:35 PM


Greatest I am writes:
Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka?
Outlaw it completely? No. That's a ridiculous over-reaction.
Outlaw it for purposes of acquiring identification? Yes. It blocks the ability to acquire an identification. - I have no issues with making some of the already-existing alternatives available for this purpose either... like having a woman officer identify you in a private room.
Are the large majority in Canada and elsewhere who would outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka wrong?
Outlaw it completely? Yes, they're wrong - it only seems petty.
Outlaw it for purposes of acquiring identification? No, they're not wrong - it only seems reasonable.
Canada, not generally known as racist or intolerant, being a nation of immigrants, do not seem to have much use or tolerance for Muslim customs and having a religion dictate what women will wear, how they will be beaten and how they cannot refuse sex to their masters. Men.
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Is Canada becoming intolerant and fed up with religions or is there some other reason for Canadian hard line against the hijab, niqab and burka?
Quebec is not a very good representation of Canada. They've even tried to leave Canada (and currently still try) at varying levels recently and throughout history.
Canada (as far as I can tell) has no issues with religions whatsoever. They simply have issues with anyone dictating what anyone else can wear, anyone beating anyone else, and non-consensual sexual relations. Religion is merely the tool being used by the criminals in this instance. The tool itself (religion) has many good uses as well. Removing the tool in this situation is not the proper correction. The proper correction is to remove the criminals.
Analogy:
When you have an issue with aggressive driving, you don't ban cars. You ban being aggressive behind the wheel.

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Stile
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Message 35 of 372 (771196)
10-22-2015 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Bliyaal
10-21-2015 1:35 PM


Bliyaal writes:
Stile writes:
Quebec is not a very good representation of Canada. They've even tried to leave Canada (and currently still try) at varying levels recently and throughout history.
Since the majority voted against it twice and the current level of support is under 40%, please don't include us all in your definition of Quebec. I certainly don't fall into that category.
Sorry, didn't mean to do such a thing.
I was only trying to emphasize my point that "Quebec is not a very good representation of Canada" in a short, succinct manner.
And, really, I think I did... and certainly didn't include "us all" in my statement... hence the "varying levels" portion.
But, if you took particular offence, then I apologize for making you feel included in something you shouldn't have been.

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Stile
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Message 36 of 372 (771198)
10-22-2015 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Bliyaal
10-22-2015 8:28 AM


Bliyaal writes:
What's illegal is driving while using your cellphone with your hands. If this is an argument to ban the niqab, it's a really bad one.
Good clarification.
We can also note that using-cell-phones-while-driving only became an offence after there were many accidents logged in which using-cell-phones-while-driving was the causal factor.
I'm sure that if wearing-blind-spot-blocking-clothes ever started causing a significant number of accidents... then such a thing would also become an offence and would also likely include things like hoodies as well.
When Greatest I am tries to claim that a similar issue exists, when the data doesn't support their statement... well... it's just easy to see that their motivation is closer to hysteria than it is to objective reason.
Perhaps the data will change in the future. If such a thing happens, then some appropriate action should happen as well.
But until the actual data changes... the hysteria should just be ignored.

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