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Dr Adequate
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Message 166 of 372 (771849)
10-30-2015 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Faith
10-30-2015 5:27 PM


Re: PC doing its dirty work as usual
My argument has to do with the spirit of the Constitution: since preventing one denomination from dominating others is its spirit, arguing that it supports religions that aim to dominate the whole world can't possibly be Constitutional.
Yeah, for example there's this sinister religion known as "Christianity".
* ''World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. [...] Thus, Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land - of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ.'' (404- Not Found)
* ''Those who are obedient to His commands will rule the world, reconstructing it for His glory in terms of His laws. [...] The nation that will not serve us will perish (Isa. 60:12); all the peoples of the earth will be subdued under our feet (Ps. 47:1-3)--promises made originally to Israel, but now to be fulfilled in the New Israel, the Church.'' (404- Not Found)

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Faith 
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Message 167 of 372 (771850)
10-31-2015 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Dr Adequate
10-30-2015 11:04 PM


Re: PC doing its dirty work as usual
Is that "dominionism?" Your links go to an American Express ad.
Whatever it is, it isn't Christianity, which wants us to be separate from the world, in it but not of it, engaged with it, serving it as salt and light, offering people salvation, but not ruling.
In fact it was the worldly ambitions that Christians can be prone to just as anyone is, that was I think Madison's main argument against a state church. It's what happened to Roman Catholicism after all, worldly ambition piled on worldly ambition once Constantine used the power of the Roman Empire for the Bishop of Rome, until they were ordering around kings and emperors. And these days not quite as aggressively but still doing the same as the Pope goes around telling nations what to do.
We WILL rule the Kingdom when it finally comes, but not this world.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 168 of 372 (771851)
10-31-2015 1:20 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by Faith
10-31-2015 12:36 AM


Re: PC doing its dirty work as usual
Whatever it is, it isn't Christianity, which wants us to be separate from the world, in it but not of it, engaged with it, serving it as salt and light, offering people salvation, but not ruling.
And yet I note that there are still a few Christians in Congress, which according to your doctrine is apparently something they should leave up to atheists and suchlike. So, your interpretation of the law is that when Christians start telling people what to do, they're not Christians but have some other religion which is not Christianity and which is not protected by the Constitution? I'm not sure I agree, but on the other hand if you can persuade the Supreme Court of this doctrine, I won't object too loudly.

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Faith 
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Message 169 of 372 (771852)
10-31-2015 3:10 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by Dr Adequate
10-31-2015 1:20 AM


Re: PC doing its dirty work as usual
Let me make it clearer: The RCC and Islam are quite happy to kill people in order to secure their rulership, when they are in a position to do so.
Serving in Congress is just participating in the society, which is in fact something we are to do as salt and light. I thought we were talking about RULING THE WORLD> That's not the Chrisitian agenda.
And are those sites about dominionism?
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ringo
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Message 170 of 372 (771867)
10-31-2015 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by Faith
10-30-2015 5:31 PM


Re: PC doing its dirty work as usual
Faith writes:
*groan*
quote:
"When he tells you howdy, he's told you all he knows."
-- attributed to Jed Clampett

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Faith 
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Message 171 of 372 (771868)
10-31-2015 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by ringo
10-31-2015 11:42 AM


Re: PC doing its dirty work as usual
Good morning, Ringo, I hope you are enjoying your time at the library computer. How's the weather in Saskatchewan? It's uncommonly warm here today, in fact I think it's a first in my experience for the Nevada Day parade, which is going to happen later this morning. The parade usually has the honor -- or misfortune -- of marking the beginning of the cold weather here. Do they serve coffee at the library too? I couldn't work at the computer in the mornings without it.
My groan was perhaps a bit uncommunicative. Sometimes there are no words, you can only sit there blinking and groaning. I was talking about the rule of law and you said I was wrong and gave an example of the rule of law to contradict me. The Bill of Rights is also law. But beyond that I'd already given my opinion about exactly WHAT "individual rights" are protected and you just responded as if I'd said nothing about that.
Oh well. The Nevada Day parade is going to get a sunny warm day for maybe the first time ever as far as I know. I guess that's a bad thing if it's caused by global warming, but maybe it's a good thing if it's just one of those cyclical things and means we're going to have a wet El Nino winter as predicted, which would be nice after years of drought.
Happy happy.
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ringo
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Message 172 of 372 (771869)
10-31-2015 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by Faith
10-31-2015 12:03 PM


Re: PC doing its dirty work as usual
Faith writes:
How's the weather in Saskatchewan?
We had a few flakes of snow on Tuesday night. It's pretty soggy this morning but it's supposed to shoot up to 10 degrees Celsius this afternoon.
Faith writes:
Do they serve coffee at the library too? I couldn't work at the computer in the mornings without it.
They do once in a while but I only drink coffee in the evening.
Faith writes:
I was talking about the rule of law and you said I was wrong and gave an example of the rule of law to contradict me. The Bill of Rights is also law. But beyond that I'd already given my opinion about exactly WHAT "individual rights" are protected and you just responded as if I'd said nothing about that.
I was responding to your Message 158 where you said, "I don't see that it says any such thing," referring to your Constitution, as mentioned by GIA in Message 151. I was just pointing out that your claim that the majority rules is false.
Faith writes:
I guess that's a bad thing if it's caused by global warming, but maybe it's a good thing if it's just one of those cyclical things and means we're going to have a wet El Nino winter as predicted, which would be nice after years of drought.
Living in Saskatchewan, it's hard to get upset about global warming. As a friend of mine said, "El Nino is my friend." Worst case scenario: Vancouver will be under water and Kamloops will be our port on the Pacific.

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Faith 
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Message 173 of 372 (771874)
10-31-2015 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by ringo
10-31-2015 12:39 PM


Re: PC doing its dirty work as usual
I was just pointing out that your claim that the majority rules is false.
The Constitution itself affirms majority rule. The following quote attributed to Jefferson states how majority rule and minority rights reasonably work together:
Thomas Jefferson, third President of the United States, expressed this concept of democracy in 1801 in his First Inaugural Address. He said,
All . . . will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect and to violate would be oppression.
I've been saying that Political Correctness has a false idea of the extent of minority rights, to the point that they disenfranchise the majority.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 174 of 372 (771875)
10-31-2015 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Faith
10-31-2015 3:10 AM


Re: PC doing its dirty work as usual
Let me make it clearer: The RCC and Islam are quite happy to kill people in order to secure their rulership, when they are in a position to do so.
Sadly they are not unique in that respect.
Serving in Congress is just participating in the society, which is in fact something we are to do as salt and light. I thought we were talking about RULING THE WORLD
The distinction seems to be a purely verbal one.
And are those sites about dominionism?
Yes.
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ringo
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Message 175 of 372 (771879)
10-31-2015 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Faith
10-31-2015 1:03 PM


Re: PC doing its dirty work as usual
Faith writes:
The Constitution itself affirms majority rule. The following quote attributed to Jefferson states how majority rule and minority rights reasonably work together:
Yes, and as your own quote says, violation of minority rights is oppression.
Faith writes:
I've been saying that Political Correctness has a false idea of the extent of minority rights, to the point that they disenfranchise the majority.
You over-use "political correctness" as a swear-word. It properly refers to people who pretend to espouse equality for political or economic reasons - a President who woos the Hispanic vote while planning a Berlin Wall to keep Mexicans out of the country or a retail chain CEO who woos black customers while refusing to promote black people above cashier.
It does not apply to everybody who actually supports equality.

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Faith 
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Message 176 of 372 (771884)
10-31-2015 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by ringo
10-31-2015 1:22 PM


Re: PC doing its dirty work as usual
Yes, and as your own quote says, violation of minority rights is oppression.
That's all you got out of that? Sheesh.
Political Correctness twists the meaning of equality and freedom and minority rights. It's destructive tyrannical political propaganda. It's all in that Jefferson quote if you can manage not to gloss over its plain meaning.

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Faith 
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Message 177 of 372 (771885)
10-31-2015 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Dr Adequate
10-31-2015 1:07 PM


Re: PC doing its dirty work as usual
Let me make it clearer: The RCC and Islam are quite happy to kill people in order to secure their rulership, when they are in a position to do so.
Sadly they are not unique in that respect.
True, Nazism and Marxism share the mindset.

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Greatest I am
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Message 178 of 372 (771901)
10-31-2015 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by ringo
10-30-2015 11:54 AM


ringo
Just a few women being abused is better than having many women abused.
Regards
DL

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Greatest I am
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Message 179 of 372 (771902)
10-31-2015 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by DrJones*
10-30-2015 11:59 AM


DrJones
If I wanted to say that, I would have said that.
I am speaking of tradition and accepted world perception.
Regards
DL

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Greatest I am
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Message 180 of 372 (771903)
10-31-2015 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Faith
10-30-2015 12:17 PM


Re: PC doing its dirty work as usual
Faith
Here is a well put discussing the Islamic way to Western acceptance of Sharia. Capitulation, basically.
Complete Infidel's Guide to the Koran - Yahoo Video Search Results
.
I think this link speaks well to the poor Islamic view of the apparel in question.
Complete Infidel's Guide to the Koran - Yahoo Video Search Results
Regards
DL
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