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Message 9 of 145 (770948)
10-16-2015 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Greatest I am
10-15-2015 5:39 PM


Morals, Anyone?
If anyone disagrees, we can then have a look at their morals and compare and debate as to who has the best set of morals.
I'll go with what I have been taught.
Morality Statement from Christian website
quote:
Definition
Morality for a Christian is the application of God’s laws regarding a person’s private and public behavior. In his or her seeking to live a moral life, a Christian tries to obey the rules for his or her personal behavior that have been decreed by God and recorded in the Bible. Throughout centuries of history these rules have been proclaimed by God’s prophets, like Moses and Isaiah and Jeremiah, taught by Jesus, interpreted by the apostles, like Peter and Paul, established by Emperor Constantine, and proclaimed by various popes, theologians, and preachers, like St. Augustine, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Jacob Arminus, Jonathan Edwards, John Wesley, Dwight L. Moody, Billy Graham, and other contemporary preacher/teachers within the Jewish-Christian traditional understandings of what is right and what is wrong.
Problems with moral behavior
In spite of all of the clearly written and proclaimed statements of moral law, individual Jews and Christians and non-members of these biblically based religious communities have found it to be impossible to live in accord with these laws. No one has the ability to be as good as he or she knows that he or she should be. Although most people have a basic understanding of what is right and what is wrong, most of us cannot be consistently right in how we obey God’s laws as well as those that have been established by various governmental authorities.
The psalmist of ancient Israel said that all have turned aside (from seeking to do good and from seeking God) they have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one (Psalms 14:3). Paul quotes this in his teaching letter to the Romans in Chapter 3, verses 10-11, and he adds this comment to include believers all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). All human beings live and have lived on a battlefield between the righteous God and his rebellious angel Lucifer or Satan, and this battle between God’s righteous will and Satan’s rebellious desires goes on day after day in everyone’s life.
Lets go with the basic rule of loving ones neighbor. Assuming that all have sinned, there is no excuse to point fingers at the sins of others. The only exception would be if one worked for the state and was enforcing legal morality.
In which case the laws of the state would supersede the laws of the bible, no matter how interpreted.
Is it moral for an all-knowing and all-powerful God to set in motion a history that he designs and then condemns others for?
As far as God punishing us, I believe that God, if God exists is a perfect judge of my intentions versus my actions and have no problem surrendering to His verdict.(Jesus being my defense attorney, of course!)
Edited by Phat, : added jabberwocky

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 72 of 145 (771847)
10-30-2015 9:28 PM


Biggie Smalls
In my opinion, Gnosticism makes man out to be bigger and more important and relevant to the universe than we are and also (Gnosticism) makes God the creator smaller and more easily understood than He likely is.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 119 of 145 (772218)
11-10-2015 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by Greatest I am
11-07-2015 3:29 PM


More Gnock Gnock Jokes
So far I prefer the Gnostic Christian free thinking way as compared to the Christian, you have to think my way, idiocy.
But which way is more logical to God? Christians don't say you have to think their way. They encourage you to think His way.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 122 of 145 (772249)
11-11-2015 1:01 AM
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11-10-2015 9:51 AM


Re: More Gnock Gnock Jokes
Having the mind of Christ is a beginning. Only through Christ can GOD be understood...and even then only at the level we can handle.
of course if propaganda has convinced you to not trust the writings....
Has Christ ever said anything that could be questioned? (In other words do His teachings make sense? If not why not?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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