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Dr Adequate
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Message 102 of 145 (772095)
11-05-2015 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by kbertsche
11-02-2015 6:41 PM


Can you please be more specific? What are the names and dates of some representatives of this "plethora" of alternative "gospels" which existed in the first or early second centuries?
Well, Wikipedia dates the Gospel of Mary as "c. 30—180 CE?" I don't know where they're getting that from, but I presume there's some sort of scholarship behind that rather than someone just pulling it out of his ass. We could look into that if you like, but it seems on the face of it that there were some early non-canonical gospels.

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Message 123 of 145 (772250)
11-11-2015 1:35 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Phat
11-11-2015 1:01 AM


Re: More Gnock Gnock Jokes
Has Christ ever said anything that could be questioned?
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

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Message 131 of 145 (772263)
11-11-2015 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
11-11-2015 8:58 AM


Re: More Gnock Gnock Jokes
You assume Jesus was talking about the final coming of the Kingdom but since that didn't happen we know that is not what he was talking about.
Well, that made me laugh out loud.
I am infallible. I predict that today an elephant will fall on you. If that doesn't happen --- well, I'm infallible, so I must not have meant "an elephant will fall on you" in the sense of "you will be the subject of the unchecked descent of a pachyderm". In that case we know that I must have meant something else, and you may speculate on what.
Of course, if all my statements, no matter how apparently plain and simple, may in fact be obscure cryptic puzzles for the delight of hermeneuticians, then there's hardly any point in my making them. And the same applies to Jesus. If, by "the Son of Man coming in his kingdom" he didn't mean the Son of Man coming in his kingdom, then what reason do we have to think that when he said "love thy neighbor as thyself" he meant that you should love your neighbor as yourself? Maybe he meant that you should buy a bassoon and play it aggressively at squirrels.

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Message 137 of 145 (772295)
11-11-2015 8:31 PM
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11-11-2015 2:27 PM


Re: More Gnock Gnock Jokes
Do you think everyone standing there died before the events of verse 38 which took place the same day?
So, that was it? The coming of the kingdom consisted of nothing more than Jesus' fan club saying nice things about him? Traditionally people have thought of it as being something more impressive. Also, they've been praying for it to happen for the last two millennia without realizing that it had been and gone. Perhaps Jesus could have clarified this a little. For example, when the good thief said "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom", he could have answered, "Actually I already did that, it was no big deal."

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