Should Canada and the U.S. tolerate an intolerant Islam?

Should Canada and the U.S. tolerate an intolerant Islam?I have linked below to a debate in Britain on Islam and their view of intolerance and as to whether the West should reciprocate in kind and not tolerate Islam and their ideology.I also have linked to two speakers who look a bit deeper at the Western situation facing Canada the U.S. as well as other Western countries. I have intentionally ignored the French situation as well as what is happening in the Netherlands as I want to speak primarily to the ideology and not the violence of Islam.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlerISGgT5Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSMcQqa0lvohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl2-YnbI-iw------------https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQELHJx8Vf0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVskhzJR6NU----------Do unto others as you would like done unto you, or some alternative of this reciprocity rule, is a recognized moral tenet that most moral theologies and philosophies follow.Islam, in most of its forms, is thought by most to be homophobic and misogynous. At its worse, it will kill Muslim women just for not wearing a proper head and or face covering. The Hebdo murders also show how far they will go to prevent freedom of speech and expression.If the West, including Canada and the U.S., continues to allow Muslim immigration we will also have to live in fear of having Islam attack us if we happen to offend their religious sensitivities by speech or expression.Do we really want the type of future that they are presently suffering east of the Atlantic?Should we close our borders to Islam before we have to suffer Islamic fundamentalist, extremists and even moderate who will attack our political systems so as to implement Sharia?If we look at some Islamic countries, we see that they have basically banned Western ideology. Should we do unto Islam what they are doing unto us and ban their ideology in our Western countries?Regards
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If they, like Islam, allow for child brides, wife beating and have a rape law, them for sure, those you mention should also be banned from Canada and the U.S.Have you seen the latest news?Syrian refugees not welcome in 31 U.S. states | CNNRegards
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AZPaul3"abandon one of our national core values"Which of your core values says that you cannot protect your ideology or close your borders to those who would undermine it?Regards
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xongsmithOops. I used the sacred text this AM during my morning routine.Regards
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AZPaul3The issue is not so much terrorism. It is preventing those who are bringing an incompatible ideology, Sharia, into the country and who will try to undermine ours.Give a listen to the last link I gave.Regards
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StileI know that all Muslims are not bad but it is impossible to differentiate the bad from the good and even the good seem to go bad if the situation, enclaves, ghettoes and no go zones are any indication.The bad ones seem to be the majority."If you want to retaliate and attack those that did this damage... then find those that actually did this damage and retaliate against them. Just because that's a difficult task doesn't mean you're validated into taking the easy road and wrongly attacking an entire group of people who have nothing to do with the damage other than interpreting the same religion in a very different way."You would have us do the difficult task while people die when there is no need for them to die at all.Islam has to reform and the only way we can help it reform is to keep the "good" Muslims in the "bad" Muslims so as they can reform the "bad" Muslims.Regards
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ringoThey are for sure but when someone is also a follower of Sharia, a political system that is incompatible with democracy, you end with the type of garbage that is going on across the Atlantic.While I know that there are good and evil Muslims. I think a moratorium on immigration from all the Muslim Middle Eastern countries should be enforced by all of the West until we get some of the garbage already taking place in the West sorted out including all the no-go zones popping up in Europe.Since we know that mass immigration only causes ghettoes and destabilization of the host country, the West has to plan and control immigrants a lot better when they enter a host country than what has been going on.The rights and freedoms of new immigrants have to be curtailed so as to make assimilation easier or as we can see, integration and assimilation does not happen.The West, by being as benevolent as we are, are shooting ourselves in the foot and it is hard to have the country walk straight on one foot.We should let immigrants and refugees know up front that if they move into our countries, they have to play by our rules, and leave the rules they are running from the hell out of our countries.Western citizens are being quite militant against foreigners at present because of what has been allowed and we have to back up a couple of steps, even if it means the denial of rights, if we are to both appease the home populations as well as improve the condition of those that are new to the country.We cannot let the new and less civilized drag us down to their level in an uncontrolled way. We need to get tough for a time so that we can get better over the long haul.Regards
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ringoI would agree that it is unfortunate for the good ones to have to suffer for the evil ones.Our population is too small to allow Sharia lovers to enter our country and assault our ideology.I need not repeat what I put in the post just above.You might wonder though, if assimilation is the goal, what are they doing with their own schools.Regards
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AZPaul3Thanks for your comment. It did not make sense till I checked the link. My error. I seem to have pickup the wrong lin. I edited my original and added this one.He is pro Christianity and softened my anti-Christian and religious stance to some extent.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVskhzJR6NURegards
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StileWe collectively do all of the above."Do you consider *any* Muslims to be innocent people in this catastrophe?"Absolutely. Probably a good 1/3.If Islam is to reform, Muslims will have to do it. Giving them the opportunity to run from their problems is not going to help the larger majority of Muslims.Allowing them to bring their ideological garbage into our countries when they are followers and pushers of Sharia is not going to do them any good and it will certainly not help the West as is plainly apparent across the Atlantic.Showing tolerance to the intolerant is showing weakness to one who always has taken advantage of weakness. Doing so is insane.Regards
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ModulousI would not be touching the rights of those who wish to import their vile ideology into our countries. They have no rights if they are not our citizens.I would deny them the opportunity to enter and entering is not a right.You seem rather generous and cavalier with the lives of Western citizens and our wealth. Do you want the rest in the West having the economic hardship that we know will happen in Europe as well as the social unrest they are experiencing?And for what?To have more homophobic and misogynous freedom haters in our free lands?Bring yourself up to date.German economy collapse inevitable, caused by migrant waves - MEP RT SophieCoRegards
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Stile"But making them do it alone is a bad thing, and will only serve to hurt ourselves."I am all for helping then and showing strongly that we will not tolerate their right wing immoral homophobic and misogynous Islam and Sharia is the best way.You agree that showing weakness is wrong so showing the strength of our convictions and ideology has to be correct and that is what I propose.If we are to impoverish ourselves by supporting those in need, they can at least leave their immoral practices the hell out of our better countries.Protecting our ideology has to trump our generosity, The long run is more important than the short run.We cannot love such immoral systems and people and if they cannot take our tough love then tough on them. They can stay home and fight for their rights the same way our forefathers did.Regards
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Jon"So, what are the benefits of Islam?"It depends on right or left wing but let me try.Perhaps a strong bond of the males and their notions of marrying their dead relatives wives. One poster pretty well convinced me that this was done for duty and honor and not for any other reason. We agreed that sexual novelty was a small short lived plus as compared to having two women around instead of just the one.In most cases I think this is true as I cannot see many men wanting more than one wife.There may also be some benefits to the oppression of their young daughters as they seem to have much fewer abortions than Western Christian nations. This might be more cultural though as even some atheist nations have fewer abortions than say the U.S. which some say is a Christian nation.One thing I have to definitely give them is that they reproduce enough to maintain their societies while the West has pretty well decided not to do so by not reproducing enough.I do not think those plusses are worth all the minuses though.Regards
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ModulousIt is a lot cheaper in the countries you name as they mostly have tent cities and poverty conditions as compare to the relative opulent conditions the West provides."Humanity and decency."I happily give and accept those who are humane and decent.By and large, those are the minority of left wing Muslims but definitely not the right wing ones who form the majority of Islam.A moratorium would allow us the time to weed out the wheat from the chaff and give us the tools to protect our better ideology.Just that message to Islam might break that immoral camels back and help free the 1/2 billon Muslim women who are denied equality by their misogynous freedom hating men.Look at the big picture and not our benefits of being nice to people that do not deserve it. I prefer to try to be good to the many and ignore the few just as you ignored the few of us who will die at their hands if we just let anyone in.The Canadian and American reputations of benevolence and charity can take this small hit if we look at the bigger prise of having Islam clean up its dirty and immoral act.We do not need the ego point. They do.Regards
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ModulousYou go ahead and look at the small picture. I will continue to try to get the buy for my buck and try to kill the root instead of picking leaves.Count the dead and let me know if the few dead immigrants and refugees who could also be jihadist cells as compared to what Islam, the root of all this is creating.I will cry for the many while you cry for the few.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWkQ9JMIbWgWhile at it, have a look at Islam and what the majority follow.It is not the best quality so I have the transcript as well.Jihad Omar Tax and death.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp9TTEXOrMETranscript.
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