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Topic: Should Canada and the U.S. tolerate an intolerant Islam?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Greatest I am writes: If they, like Islam, allow for child brides, wife beating and have a rape law, them for sure, those you mention should also be banned from Canada and the U.S.
Whatever laws they may have had where they came from are irrelevant. When they come here, they're subject to our laws, just like anybody else.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Do not tolerate an intolerant Islam. But do tolerate Islam.
Greatest I am writes: The bad ones seem to be the majority.
There's a Muslim school a few blocks from my house; the kids are like any other Canadian kids - they like video games, etc. We have halal restaurants and grocery stores on every corner. I rub shoulders with Muslims every day. I've never met a bad one yet.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Greatest I am writes: We should let immigrants and refugees know up front that if they move into our countries, they have to play by our rules, and leave the rules they are running from the hell out of our countries.
We do that - and the vast majority of them willingly comply - so your fears of Sharia are unfounded.
Greatest I am writes: Western citizens are being quite militant against foreigners at present....
No they are not. Only the bigots are and they always were.
Greatest I am writes: We cannot let the new and less civilized drag us down to their level in an uncontrolled way.
We can't let YOU drag us down to YOUR level.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Do not tolerate an intolerant Islam. But do tolerate Islam.
Greatest I am writes: Our population is too small to allow Sharia lovers to enter our country and assault our ideology.
"We" don't have a monolithic ideology. The strength of our country is in our diversity and in cooperation between diverse individuals.
Greatest I am writes: You might wonder though, if assimilation is the goal, what are they doing with their own schools.
Assimilation is not my goal.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 69 of 127 (772967)
11-21-2015 11:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 29 by Jon 11-19-2015 1:42 PM
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Re: Benefits of Islam
Jon writes: Is it worth it to let Muslims into Western lands? The only way to answer that is to do a cost-benefit analysis of the situation.
Was it worth it letting your ancestors in? Ask a Sioux.
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Replies to this message: | | Message 71 by Jon, posted 11-21-2015 1:40 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 74 of 127 (773001)
11-22-2015 1:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 71 by Jon 11-21-2015 1:40 PM
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Re: Benefits of Islam
Jon writes: Don't go there ringo; remember how stupid you looked last time trying to make that comparison?
Remind me. My memory is long but selective. Meanwhile, I stand by my statement: the immigrants who should have been kept out were us.
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Replies to this message: | | Message 79 by Jon, posted 11-23-2015 10:06 PM | | ringo has replied |
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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 82 of 127 (773071)
11-24-2015 10:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 79 by Jon 11-23-2015 10:06 PM
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Re: Benefits of Islam
Jon writes: It only works if we consider immigrant Muslims as analogous to incoming Europeansi.e., as invaders.
The Europeans were not considered as invaders by the indigenous people. They were welcomed. Ever hear of Thanksgiving? It was only their behaviour after they arrived that made their hosts want to deport them. By analogy, if the refugees misbehave when they are here, we would deport them. That's pretty much the plan.
Jon writes: Why should anyone take your nonsense seriously?
Maybe you should try some introspection.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 85 of 127 (773076)
11-24-2015 11:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 83 by Percy 11-24-2015 11:00 AM
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Re: Benefits of Islam
Percy writes: The initial response of indigenous American tribes to the arrival of Europeans varied and included hostility.
And the response today toward Muslim immigrants varies and includes hostility. The analogy works even if it isn't a Great Wall.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Benefits of Islam
Cat Sci writes: The natives didn't have a country for the europeans to immigrate into...
Sure they did. They had their territories with disputed boundaries, just like white folks have.
Cat Sci writes: ... nor did they have a say in whether or not they would "let" them in.
They had a say. They said, "Yes." Later on, when they changed their minds and said, "No," their lack of might failed to make them right.
Cat Sci writes: That's not analogous to citizens asking another country to allow them to seek refuge.
The Mayflower pilgrims, for one example, were seeking refuge, and it was granted.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Benefits of Islam
Cat Sci writes: It's not 'welcome or fight'; the country has the option of legally disallowing it. The natives did not have this option.
You're working too hard at misunderstanding. The point of an analogy is to recognize the similarities, not grasp at every straw to ignore the similarities.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 120 of 127 (773196)
11-26-2015 10:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 112 by Jon 11-25-2015 4:09 PM
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Re: So... 'Bout Them Benefits
Jon writes: Can anyone think of any benefits of Islam?
A young lady in a niqab smiled at me once. It was subtle, like prairie scenery, but well worth noticing.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: So... 'Bout Them Benefits
Don't waste my time with bare links. If you have a point, make it.
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