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Author Topic:   Should Canada and the U.S. tolerate an intolerant Islam?
Percy
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Message 3 of 127 (772661)
11-17-2015 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
11-17-2015 11:50 AM


Greatest I am writes:
The Hebdo murders also show how far they will go to prevent freedom of speech and expression.
Of course. And The Troubles in Northern Island show just how far Catholics and Protestants will go to kill and maim. Clearly Muslims, Catholics and Protestants should be excluded from within Canadian and US borders.
And given well known Jewish evils, how fortunate we were prior to WWII to prevent wholesale immigration of European Jews into our country.
--Percy

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Message 65 of 127 (772954)
11-21-2015 8:16 AM


I never ceased to be amazed that those here arguing from a position of least tolerance are so often the most Christian. They always give their excuses a higher precedence than their humanity. Given how tightly conservative Christianity aligns with the military, I'd say they're more like Islamic extremists than any other elements in this country.
--Percy

  
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Message 67 of 127 (772957)
11-21-2015 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Jon
11-21-2015 8:30 AM


Jon writes:
To which you responded by changing general "extreme Islamism" to "extreme Islamism of ISIS " which, of course, agrees with what I said: the folks don't want to live under ISIS's extreme Islamism - but many do want to live under some version of extreme Islamism.
How many, and how do you know this?
Today's New York Times (ISIS Wives and Enforcers in Syria Recount Collaboration, Anguish and Escape) describes a pre-ISIS Syria with many progressive and westward-looking residents, e.g.:
quote:
All three belonged to a generation of Syrian women who were leading more independent lives than ever before. They mixed freely with young men, socializing and studying together in a religiously diverse city with relatively relaxed mores.
These people have no right to flee?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 72 of 127 (772989)
11-22-2015 8:38 AM
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11-21-2015 1:39 PM


Jon writes:
These people have no right to flee?
I never said people haven't a right to flee.
What I have said is we have no obligation to receive such folks...
If no one will receive them, what good is the right to flee?
Simple humanity demands we receive people fleeing from groups like the Nazis, the Taliban, ISIS, Boko Haram, etc. We failed the Jews before and during World War II, we shouldn't repeat the mistake with fleeing Syrians, Iraqis, Nigerians, etc.
...and should, given what we know of Muslims in the region be very cautious about importing extreme radicalism...
Of course.
That, of course, is just an anecdote. If we look at actual evidence (surveys of what people believe) we find things like this bit that Mod kindly pointed out long ago but has been doing a good job of forgetting:
Mod's quote in his Message 131, taken from Stoning Adulterers at the Pew Research Center, was provided to support his argument of a wide variety of opinion among Muslims. For example, the 2nd sentence of the 2nd paragraph states, "In contrast, Muslims in Lebanon, Turkey and Indonesia largely reject the notion that harsh punishments should be the law in their countries."
It's not unreasonable to want to keep their crap out of the West.
I could agree with summarily rejecting refugee status for all mad bombers, but not all Muslims. It would be inhumane.
--Percy

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Message 73 of 127 (772990)
11-22-2015 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Jon
11-21-2015 1:40 PM


Re: Benefits of Islam
Don't go there ringo; remember how stupid you looked last time trying to make that comparison?
I'm only a participant in this thread, but could I suggest that maybe we could let the audience make their own decisions about who is stupid and who isn't. Our own personal opinions aren't the ones that count.
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Percy
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Message 83 of 127 (773073)
11-24-2015 11:00 AM
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11-24-2015 10:41 AM


Re: Benefits of Islam
ringo writes:
The Europeans were not considered as invaders by the indigenous people. They were welcomed.
The initial response of indigenous American tribes to the arrival of Europeans varied and included hostility.
The analogy of the arrival of Europeans in the Americas to immigration into a modern state doesn't seem very strong.
--Percy

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Message 108 of 127 (773149)
11-25-2015 12:42 PM


Origins of Jihadist-Inspired Attacks in the U.S.
In today's New York Times: Origins of Jihadist-Inspired Attacks in the U.S. From the front page intro:
quote:
Since Sept. 11, 2001, most of the attackers in the United States who were motivated by extremist Islam were U.S.-born or naturalized citizens. None were refugees.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 116 of 127 (773187)
11-26-2015 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 112 by Jon
11-25-2015 4:09 PM


Re: So... 'Bout Them Benefits
Jon writes:
Can anyone think of any benefits of Islam?
Can't that same question be asked of any religion? I imagine the answer is the same for Islam as it is for many other religions: it brings people closer to God.
--Percy

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