Should Canada and the U.S. tolerate an intolerant Islam?

Modulous"What are you specifically trying to get done and do you know it is more efficient?"Islam must be changed from within.If Muslims who want to change Islam can run away from it then Islam will never reform.Note how many Muslim countries have condemned ISIS. That condemnation, when backed by bodies that we have caused to stay in the M. E. to fight for those reforms, will bear fruit.We in the West do not need reforming to a more barbaric Islamic way, which is what is happening in the E.U. and Scandinavian lands.Islam needs a wake up call and forcing them to stay at home and fight for their rights is the long term solution.If it takes violence, then we should train and arm Muslims and send them back. Only a Muslim victory with Western help can have Islam change and the West should make a reform of the Qur'an and Sharia and the way they are interpreted should be tied to any help we offer.There are a number of Muslim lands that are quite democratic or under other political systems that are reasonable so the M.E. has no excuse for choosing the more right wing jihadist creating forms of Islam.The West did not run from the fight for freedom and that is why we have it.To facilitate the M.E. Muslims to run from their fight for freedom just gives the enemy a greater number that they need not fight, and we, in that sense, are exacerbating the problem by making the enemy stronger.Regards
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Modulous"As they are entitled to."In our free lands, no one is entitled to discriminate against those that the law of the land does not discriminate against.Right?That is why Sharia should be rejected as it discriminates against women and gays without a just cause.Regards
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BliyaalI am not. They are not in my land as yet and will not be if I have my way.Regards
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DrJones*Indeed. And proud to stand and give all the reasons why.Sharia discriminates against democracy. Why should we not reciprocate?Is reciprocity not fair play where you come from?Regards
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BliyaalNot surprising as I am honest while they could be liars and terrorists.Truth sometimes hurt more than lies.Regards
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DrJones*You do not steal back but do look to the authorities for redress.Same thing as far as reciprocity is concerned.I retract nothing as I do not know which post you allude to.Get the quote and I will have a look.Regards
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DrJones*I see where the language might have cause your misunderstanding.I began the phrase with ---"In our free lands".I stand by what I said about those in my land.What I am discriminating against negatively are those that are not in my land.Let me add.
For those in my land who are homophobic, misogynistic and have some of the other odious beliefs and habits of immoral Islam, I use the right to speak against such beliefs and habits but would not discriminate negatively against them in any other way.You can try to twist what I say to your advantage all you like but prepare to be ignored if I think you are just reaching for cheap points.Regards
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BliyaalIf they can get into the country then they will fall under the laws that they want to tear down.If I can keep them out I will.My standards do not change. Situations do and I adjust to what is given within that standard. It can get complicated.Regards
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Modulous"Yes. And I'm sure having Muslims exposed to living in a free and tolerant society until they can return to their homelands can only help foster moderation too."It has failed in Europe so I don't know where you get that idea.Your heart is bleeding for the runners while ignoring that they are the same as those making them run who just happen to be the stronger at this point in time while ignoring the carnage done by previous runners of the same ilk.You are not learning from experience.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCOLcMqdplsCanada and the U.S. has already seen Islam trying to change our laws to Sharia by previous and likely better immigrants who came by choice. To think those coming by force will be less bent on Sharia is ridiculous.Even as we speak, Canadians and Americans are lashing out at Canadian and American Muslims and more immigrants who are basically forced on us will get even more Canadians and Americans incensed. Especially as we see the growing carnage overseas.This is no good for anyone short term nor long term. At least if the runners grow some balls because they are forced to by closed borders, the long term might be best served.Regards
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ModulousIOW. You would have happen to Canada as is happening overseas with host countries losing parcels of their countries to outsiders just as what happened to Molmo.No thanks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXTDsde5vIURegards
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DrJones*Because they deserve it as the majority of them discriminate agiainst us.If they want our respect then let them drop their hate and earn it.If the Muslims in Canada and the U.S. make too much noise, they will get what other countries are giving them. The West will not just lay down and get run over by those who are less moral and civilized than ourselves.Regards
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DrJones*Who said a color. Are you showing your own prejudices?Error 410 (Gone) - NFBShock Poll: 51% of U.S. Muslims Want Sharia; 25% Okay with Violence Against Americanshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSgxZlp6f90Regards
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ringohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhmwcmOPemkRegards
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StileIt is a great religion but only to those in it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNvoImGJBnQ&feature=em-su...Regards
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anglagardThere are good Muslins. No argument.But their right wing is not good and it is large.It is much as Christianity was and we suffered that long enough to know we need not suffer such immorality, homophobia and misogyny again.Regards
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