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Author Topic:   Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka?
ringo
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Message 196 of 372 (773479)
12-02-2015 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Greatest I am
12-02-2015 2:41 PM


Greatest I am writes:
Plus signs of slavery should not be allowed in a free nation.
Free nations don't tell their people what to wear.

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Message 197 of 372 (773480)
12-02-2015 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by ringo
12-02-2015 2:54 PM


ringo
Try going outside naked.
Come back and repeat your idiocy.
Regards
DL

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ringo
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Message 198 of 372 (773483)
12-02-2015 3:12 PM
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12-02-2015 3:01 PM


Greatest I am writes:
Try going outside naked.
I don't wear clothes because the government forces me to.
But we should aspire to be a nation that imposes fewer restrictions, not more. I do not support nudity bans.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 199 of 372 (773503)
12-02-2015 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Greatest I am
12-02-2015 2:34 PM


Lol, fathers and mothers already dictate what their young children will wear, and yet you don't recognize that. Instead you set up a straw man in which to attack by attempting to appeal to Ringo's sensibilities which detests men dictating what women should wear, as if it conflicts with Western values.
But the bottom line is that, for however inappropriate it may be for a man to dictate how his wife ought to dress, it's even more inappropriate for an entire nation to dictate how one should dress. Banning clothes will only reinforce people's desire to wear them. In other words, it would fail and would only serve to alienate people
Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.

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Message 200 of 372 (773652)
12-05-2015 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Hyroglyphx
12-02-2015 9:43 PM


Not in MY Courtroom!
This was an interesting recent development.
Quebec judge wouldn't hear case of woman wearing hijab

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NoNukes
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Message 201 of 372 (773683)
12-07-2015 11:39 AM
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12-05-2015 4:03 PM


Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
This was an interesting recent development.
Quebec judge wouldn't hear case of woman wearing hijab
Here is a sample of the commentary regarding that video.
quote:
Go back to your stupid muslims hole where you crawled from!
F that raghead welfare sucker. If you do NOT like the rules, get your lazy a$$ back to whatever sandflea filled country you crawled out of
Islam is an evil and teaching raping children,to abuse women and rape them!That the islam!!
Good, it's about time these judges make things right. I wished the judges in America would do the same, either take off your scarf or donate your car.
Sad. Just plain disgusting.

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Tangle
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Message 202 of 372 (773687)
12-07-2015 12:22 PM
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12-05-2015 4:03 PM


Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
Phat writes:
This was an interesting recent development.
Well I think that's just plain wrong. She was wearing a headscarf, not a face covering. Surely there are precedents for that in Canada?
The judge said that it was a religious symbol which are not allowed in court - the court being a secular institution with no religious symbols anywhere - then compared her scarf to a hat or sunglasses. Weird.
Do Canadians not offer their witness to swear oaths on their holy books or does everyone have to affirm?
That seems to me to be a denial of access to justice for nothing more than a clothing preference.

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Greatest I am
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Message 203 of 372 (773698)
12-07-2015 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Hyroglyphx
12-02-2015 9:43 PM


Hyroglyphx
Indeed.
"and would only serve to alienate people"
Hopefully the misogynous Muslim men who deny their women first class citizenship.
Certainly not the women being forced.
Regards
DL

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Message 204 of 372 (773699)
12-07-2015 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by NoNukes
12-07-2015 11:39 AM


Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
NoNukes
You are showing your own bias.
What is wrong with, when in Rome, following Rome's laws?
What rules your country?
A Government or a God?
Regards
DL
Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

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Greatest I am
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Message 205 of 372 (773700)
12-07-2015 7:52 PM
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12-07-2015 12:22 PM


Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
Tangle
The access to justice is her not having her husband force her to wear what he wants.
Access to justice means access to freedom from Muslim male oppression.
Regards
DL

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Message 206 of 372 (773701)
12-07-2015 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Greatest I am
12-07-2015 7:52 PM


Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
The access to justice is her not having her husband force her to wear what he wants.
And what evidence do you have that her husband forced her to wear the hijab?

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All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
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Message 207 of 372 (773704)
12-07-2015 8:27 PM
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12-07-2015 8:05 PM


Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
DrJones
Just the testimonials of the women and my knowledge of Islam.
That and knowing that Sharia is not compatible with a freedom loving people.
Regards
D

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Message 208 of 372 (773705)
12-07-2015 8:40 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Greatest I am
12-07-2015 8:27 PM


Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
so you have no evidence that this woman was forced into wearing the hijab or that she is being oppressed by her husband.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Message 209 of 372 (773706)
12-07-2015 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by DrJones*
12-07-2015 8:40 PM


Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
Testimonials are evidence where I come from.
Unlike Sharia law, the testimony of one woman has as much value as the testimony of one man in my country.
Regards
DL

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Message 210 of 372 (773707)
12-07-2015 8:56 PM
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12-07-2015 8:44 PM


Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
Testimonials are evidence where I come from...the testimony of one woman has as much value as the testimony of one man in my country.
How about this testimonial from a headscarf wearing woman:
quote:
I'm a Muslim....I'm separated. I'm living with three boys.
Her husband can't be forcing her...so....?

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