Another one that hurts

Some states (most?, all?) don't allow convicted sociopathic axe murderers to vote or serve on jury duties. Do you think that is also a mistake? Should sociopaths be allowed to influence your society/culture? Should convicted child rapists be allowed to teach in school?Did you think through your above stance at all?

My catastrophic support of dictators, terrorists, or destabilized democracies? . . . My?Sorry Xong, from the context of my original argument, I am not understanding your reply.(maybe today was the wrong day for me to stop sniffing glue.)Edited by dronestar, : clarity, added quote

It's lying, plain and simple.It's not powerful; it's cowardly and pathetic.

Explain yourself sir.

I think I've made my thoughts on this matter pretty clear already in other threads here, so I'll be brief:

1. Islam was founded by the evil rapist and warlord Muhammad (his list of 'accomplishments' is actually much larger). Muslims idolize this man; indeed, he is the most important figure in their belief system after Allah himself. Groups like ISIS will continue to exist because those groups are right: their interpretation of Islam is not only in line with what is written in their scriptures, but carries on their great prophet's mission of subjecting the world to a backwards, oppressive theocracy. That said, the 'bruv' was an excellent Muslim.
2. If folks like Mr. "You ain't no Muslim" want to really prove they are moderate, liberal, and enlightened, they need to throw off Islam; denounce that bastard prophet of theirs as the wicked and despicable piece of shit that he really was.

Hence the lie and him being a pathetic coward.Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

And how many Muslims have you actually sat down, spoken with, and listened to, in order to arrive at your understanding about their faith, their beliefs and their world view ?

Well that's pretty damned ignorant and idiotic. This thread seems to bring out the worst in people.

If we said as Jon suggested, They would make us give up Jesus.

Plenty. And why do you want to defend people's idolizing and following of a piece of shit like Muhammad?

So you have no real objection then other than to implicitly defend folks who worship rapist theocratic warlords and to refer to people who think it'd be better if they didn't as idiots.

Huh? Why would anyone make you give up Jesus?I don't think we should make anyone give up their incestuous xenophobic prophet. But I also think we need to be honest with ourselves and others in pointing out just who it is that's being idolized by supposedly moderate and well-adjusted Muslims.I mean, really, what the fuck is anyone anyone doing following this guy?

Generally the opposite of constructive, informed discussion would be unsupported assertions and/or short one sentence responses.Again, I'm not playing a moderator role in this thread, so no one has to listen to me, but the thread has been fairly measured up to this point, and it would be nice if that could continue.--Percy

Let's have a look at the friendly neighbourhood Christian God - someone who ordered a bloke to be stoned to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath - someone who ordered his followers to commit genocide - someone who himself carried out the most comprehensive genocide you could ever imagine.This is the same God who Christians nowadays (or at least the majority of them) worship as a kind, loving and forgiving God. In your view, should they also acknowledge that they are worshiping a sadistic, cruel and power-hungry overlord, and renounce their faith in order to be seen to be leading a decent life ?

I thought we where talking about countries, cultures doing evil things in the name of hegemony.I thought your point was that since the U.S. and it's allies are guilty of invading, bombing and killing then when the shoe is on the other foot ISIL is justified in they're actions in turnabout is fair play.A nations past sins do not mean the country forfeits the possibility of redemption.The U.S. nuked Hiroshima . Do we now forfeit any credibility to speak out now against doing such a thing?The U.S. has conducted Syphilis trials in the past,violating subjects confidence and health. Doe that mean the U.S. must now be looked upon as incapable of conducting honest clinical trails with subject consent, safety being crucial?I get the feeling you think the U.S. and it's allies are deserved of ISILS brutality and are reaping what they sowed.I am reminded of this poem for some reason.

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"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."
~John Donne

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Take care dronestar.

The US was founded by the evil warlord George Washington. Do we condemn all present-day Americans because of that?