Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka?

AZPaul3There is no such thing as religious rights that are not granted by a government except your thinking. But you are not allowed to act on your thinking if it effects others negatively.We live in secular systems, not theocracies.Sura 24:31 is men telling women how to act and dress and you seem to like men ordering their slaves.Would you like to be a Muslim woman?Regards
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ringo"Why do you want to prevent them?"I do not want to prevent them but must because I believe most are forced and am willing to let governments find out the truth instead of killing the inquiry as you would do.So tell us, if surveys showed that most women are forced, would you ban the garb?Your turn to not evade.Regards
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AZPaul3I have looked at what women want governments to do about their rights.Return the ones they lost when their countries moved to theocracies and they lost their freedom to dress as they like.You might have noted in the links you gave that those who say they are voluntarily wearing the garb in question are following the dictates of an imaginary God.They are following a forced superstition and delusion. Anecdotal information like your is always useful but not nearly as much as statistical information.The day Iranian women protested the hijab – Why Evolution Is TrueInside Every Progressive Is A Totalitarian Screaming To Get Out - David HorowitzRegards
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ringoI looked at surveys that show how many are uncomfortable around those who are wearing the garb in question. The more that is covered, the more others are uncomfortable.This shows how damaging to assimilation or integration the garb in question is.Regards
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Tangle"My view is that there are better ways of dealing with issues that only affect a few people than creating laws against the practice that may do more harm than good."I thought at some length before taking my position on what other method might be used to teach Muslim men of the immorality of oppressing their wives and daughters. I found nothing that would counteract their twisted interpretations of their holy books.I would like to see another way so if you have one that you think might work, please share it.Remember that we are on the outside looking in and that Muslims are quite slow in granting their women equality. Note how Saudi women are only getting to vote for the first time as we speak.Regards
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AZPaul3Total B.S.Both Christianity and Islam give Jesus respect, although in different ways, and Jesus said that all such praying and displays should be kept or done in private so as not to be seen as bragging about ones piety.Muslims have taken that to mean that they can brag about their piety and do the one-upmanship that that entails in public.Insulting other women around you is not a good way for a Muslim woman to integrate or assimilate.Regards
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AZPaul3Your constitution was designed to save us from religion. Not to keep religions safe from us showing how immoral they are.You forget that those who immigrated to the U.S. were running from religious oppression.But yes, if I could ban all the homophobic and misogynous male producing religions like Christianity and Islam, I would be ever so pleased to do so. If you would not, then it seems you like homophobes and misogynous males.Please tell us why as well as why the governments should not want to close such institutions whose ideology goes directly against the constitution that demand equality?Regards
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AZPaul3"The hijab is my only focus as it seems to be GIA's focus."Really?When I open with -- Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka?My focus was signs of oppression and slavery and that includes all the garb that Muslim women are forced to wear.Regards
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AZPaul3Her God has a prophet called Jesus who said that such displays of piety and modesty done for God should be done in private.Thanks for showing what you don't know of Christianity and Islam.Regards
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AZPaul3"Freedom of conscience for all people to practice their religion as their view of their god dictates (with the caveat that they do no harm to others and their free conscience)."Your reading comprehension is faulty.What you are saying is that religions are free to follow the secular rules and that they can believe but not act on the garbage they believe.That is governments controlling religions and what they teach. Religions are just corporate entities and have the same limitations as all other citizens.For instance, some European Muslim schools have been closed because they were teaching their children to be antiemetic.Somewhat like Christians teach their children to be anti-gay and misogynous.Regards
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ramossNot a willing one but yes, I will do what I must to promote right thinking. It is the moral thing to do.In this case, I will oppress the few women who are voluntarily wearing their slave garb so as to free the many oppressed by Islam and Muslim men.You might remember that every law you follow is designed to oppress evil. In that sense, we are all oppressors if we follow the law.Every law is permission and in fact compulsion to discriminate negatively against some group within our societies.Regards
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AZPaul3You are learned but have never used your brain to think."One of which is the freedom of conscience and that includes the freedom to practice our individual religions as we determine our individual gods dictate."Try stoning a fornicator and see how quickly you are brought down.No right is inalienable when you live under a government that has power over you. Rhetoric is not reality.Regards
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ringoIf they are coming to our land to live in our culture, should we not expect that they do so because they like our culture, and if not, why would we want them and why would they want to live where they do not want to fit in?Give that some thought instead of returning with one of your flippant answers.Regards
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RingoWe will not end oppression and slavery while accepting the signs of it.You have no idea if it would work or not.Nice to know though that you would not make laws that suit the many just to maintain a Muslims man pride of ownership.The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.That is an irrefutable moral position.Regards
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ringoWell, as the Australians say, if you do not want to fit in, get the hell out.Regards
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