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Author | Topic: With a dying white race, why are we not encouraging more white births? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Greatest I am Member (Idle past 301 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
GIA writes: I recognize that over time immigrants move towards the same birth trends as the host country. This does not take away from the fact that their initial human contribution and subsequent ongoing immigration will eventually change the fabric of the nation because they reproduce more initially. That is why many do not like the idea of Muslim immigration because of Sharia encroaching on the original political system. I'm fine with changing the fabric of my society - it's good for us, in the long term it's the only way we're all going to get along. Within limits. Sharia law is outwith those limits and is not a reasonable fear.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 301 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Hyroglyphx
"because of that you could care less." We will chat when you stop speaking for me and start speaking to me. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 301 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Tangle
Sharia, if you are aware of what it is doing in the Middle East, should be a concern to every government. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dRr854zxbA&feature=playe... RegardsDL
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
The Middle East is not England. Sharia law will not, and can not, become something we need to worry about here, so long as we make it clear where the lines are drawn.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Genomicus Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 852 Joined:
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Granted but to not care about the white part of the human race when it is responsible for the best social systems we have devised is rather strange. I was going to ignore OP, and attempt to pretend that his/her views are an extremely fringe minority. Of course, with #WISIS Donald Trump still leading the GOP polls, it's probably unwise to pretend the racist, white supremacist views of GIA are nearly non-existent. I'll respond in more detail to her/his post, but I couldn't help respond to this piece of drivel quoted above. To argue that the white part of the "human race" is responsible for the best social systems we have devised is absolute nonsense. The Euro-centric assumptions of this statement aside, there is absolutely no reason to suppose that the concentration of melanin in certain human groups is any way responsible for the "best social systems." Correlation is not causation, and this is flawed biological determinism of the worst kind. Edited by Genomicus, : No reason given.
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Genomicus Member (Idle past 1968 days) Posts: 852 Joined:
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Your whole argument rests on the notion that there are concrete subspecies within Homo sapiens which can be phenotypically identified based on melanin concentration. Hence, throughout your argument, we see statements like "a dying white race," "dark races are reproducing a lot more than the whites," "this is not doing the white race any good at all."
This is further seen in your links to YouTube videos with such ludicrous titles as "Tribute to the White Race" (that is as preposterous as, say, putting together propaganda entitled "Tribute to People with Blood Type A," or "Tribute to People with Mustaches" -- which, while cute in an odd sort of way, is quite idiosyncratic). Yet the notion that well-defined biological subspecies of Homo Sapiens exist and can be identified based on melanin concentration is quite antiquated and certainly something most evolutionary biologists would summarily dismiss. Let me explain. (1) The human species contains a multitude of variations, some homologous and others analogous. Yet merely because variability exists does not mean that we should invoke the idea of "race." There are better, more effective, more rigorous ways to shed light on the nature of human differences (e.g., molecular phylogenies based on SNPs, allele frequencies, etc.) than the very narrow, arbitrary concept of "race." (2) You have not given us any reason to believe that there exists a "white" subspecies, a "black" subspecies, a "brown" subspecies, and so on. What we do know is this: human variability generally maps nicely to geography; this, in turn, means that there is a continuum of variable characters among the human species; and a continuum of variable characters means that different subspecies could be (arbitrarily) contrived, based on, e.g., body size, disease susceptibilities, finger lengths, molecular phylogenetics based on SNPs, molecular phylogenetics based on gene frequencies, phylogenies created from a diverse array of morphological characters (e.g., brain size, which has no correlation with melanin concentration), and so on. So why have you chosen skin color to be the determining factor in what defines a human subspecies? This is quite curious on your part -- though is probably due to a lingering monogenic racism which posits that "whiteness" is somehow (magically, I suppose) superior.
Why are none of our white governments not offering more incentives for whites to have more children? Because whiteness isn't any better than blackness or browness.
Many in Europe are saying that our politicians have sold out to Muslims. "Muslim" is not a biological classification; it's a religion. This is quite a rookie mistake, and kind of throws away the validity of your whole argument.
Trump can gain what seems to be a lot of support for a harder line against immigration. Sure, because much of the GOP consists of "white" people with just a high school education or less; these are the kind of people who gravitate to the fascist mythology upon which #WISIS's campaign rests.
It seems to me, if I was a politician, my war cry, if you will, would be for my white constituents to pull up their socks, pull off their birth control devices, and do their duty to the white race by reproducing more. Nonsense. No one has a duty to any arbitrarily chosen biological character that is supposed to define some kind of subspecies.
Many whites are feeling squeezed... Yes, those with unearned privilege often do feel threatened when the idea of true egalitarianism emerges.
...and seem to be becoming more anti the other race. Ignorant people do tend to do that, yes.
Not too surprising as becoming a minority is something we are not used to and when we look about and see how other minorities are treated, I can see why many would not want to be in a minority. Unless, of course, we deconstruct the social construction of race. That won't happen, of course, as long as we have people like you who are in love with magical melanin concentrations that are somehow better than those with different melanin concentrations.
Why are white governments not promoting more white births instead of more immigration? See above.
Why are white people not fighting the trends that are making us a quickly disappearing race? Because biologically "whiteness" is irrelevant. You just seem to have a weird fetish with melanin concentration, which is really only important -- I suppose -- to dermatology and related disciplines (I am well-aware of the importance skin color has in social relations, but the entire argument of GIA assumes that melanin concentration is actually a viable biological classification scheme).
Are whites so self-centered that we will eventually all loose [sic] our countries to those of other colors? See above.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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I apologize for assuming you were racist towards Asians simply because you're racist towards "dark people." I guess both of us are full ASSUMPTIONS!
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 301 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Indeed but to be true to those Muslims who immigrate to the West, it should be drawn the way some, like Australia have done. Our way or stay away. Sharia to us should be the same as what the S.S. would promote and we would be stupid to let hundreds of thousands if not millions of S.S. into the West.
RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 301 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Genomicus
"To argue that the white part of the "human race" is responsible for the best social systems we have devised is absolute nonsense." I was going to ignore you as a name calling idiot but you seem to have a different view of history that might be worthy. If the Western whites did not produce the best social and political system to date, as you indicate, then who did? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 301 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Genomicus
Have you noted that medical science is using more and more gene and DNA therapies of late and they say that that way is the way of the future? You can say white and not be so stupidly politically correct and insult whites with your, --- different melanin concentrations. That sounds so stupid. Whites have the most variety in DNA and will be responsible for more cures of various diseases than other sub-groups within the human race. You criticized the formal education of the right just to show that you have done higher than high school but I have met too many stupid PHD's to be impressed. Stop showing off and stop insulting people with your overdone political correctness. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 301 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Hyroglyphx
My native American wife tells me to tell you to bite me. She says that those who are quick to label others are likely of the label they use. Misery loves company. RegardsDL
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Who or what your wife is has nothing to do with whether you are racist or not. Again you show that your skills at argumentation and logic are rudimentary at best.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Greatest I am writes:
The question I answered was about "white births" instead of immigration. My question was trying to focus more on immigration and not the colors we already have in the country. My answer was that because we don't have a "white government", there's no reason for them to promote insidious white-supremacist policies.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member
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This topic is racist. I am shutting it down. You have not shown me reason to do otherwise.
Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.
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