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Tangle
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Message 316 of 2887 (774113)
12-13-2015 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by Big_Al35
12-13-2015 11:48 AM


Big Al writes:
So you admit the fossils are genuine? Only the museum is fake but the bones are 100% bona fide.
Well I have no idea - perhaps they are. Without being properly tested it's not possible to know. But even if they are genuine bones of people, it doesn't seem to prove the existence of giants, just the existence of deformed skulls, which we know all about already.
The thing is Al, scientists are discovering the skulls of various homomid species all the time. Next week the natural history museum of London has a whole wall of them:
A stark demonstration of the dramatic changes that have swept through the science of human evolution will be revealed this week at London’s Natural History Museum. A wall of skulls has been built at the entrance of its new human evolution gallery, graphically showing how our understanding of our seven-million-year journey from ancient apeman ancestors to Homo sapiens has been transformed in recent years.
In just over a decade an unprecedented number of new species have been uncovered by palaeontologists, from the Hobbit man of Flores to the Denisovan cavemen of Siberia. Most will be displayed on the wall of skulls.
These 'globalists' of yours are doing a really terrible job of preventing these discoveries. Is it just giants they don't like?

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Big_Al35
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Message 317 of 2887 (774117)
12-13-2015 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 316 by Tangle
12-13-2015 12:11 PM


Tangle writes:
These 'globalists' of yours are doing a really terrible job of preventing these discoveries. Is it just giants they don't like?
I'm not sure what the globalists like or don't like. But I can see on these forums that you guys didn't take kindly to the giant fossils. You begrudgingly accepted the elongated skull but only on the basis that it is deformed. So maybe it's you guys that don't like giants. Maybe because it suggests devolution rather than evolution.
And if the globalists are doing such a terrible job why can't I get you guys to believe in giants?

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Tanypteryx
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Message 318 of 2887 (774121)
12-13-2015 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 317 by Big_Al35
12-13-2015 1:15 PM


And if the globalists are doing such a terrible job why can't I get you guys to believe in giants?
Oh, good one, I had never thought of that.
So the lack of evidence is evidence for both globalists and giants.
Maybe the globalists ARE giants. Did you ever think of that?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 319 of 2887 (774122)
12-13-2015 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 317 by Big_Al35
12-13-2015 1:15 PM


No giants
...why can't I get you guys to believe in giants?
Don't know about the rest of the folks here, but in my case I've learned a great deal in over 40 years of study of human skeletons. That was about half of my Ph.D. work, and I still get calls from local coroners about once a month to look at bones for them.
Have you ever studied bones, or closely examined a cranium? Or talked to anyone who has?
Until you learn something, and know what you're talking about, don't be trying to sell us internet nonsense.

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Message 320 of 2887 (774123)
12-13-2015 1:38 PM
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12-13-2015 1:15 PM


Big_Al35 writes:
Maybe because it suggests devolution rather than evolution.
There's no difference between evolution and devolution - so nobody would mind if evidence turned up that we're just stunted giants, or that our skulls shortened.

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Tangle
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Message 321 of 2887 (774125)
12-13-2015 2:30 PM
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12-13-2015 1:15 PM


Big Al writes:
I'm not sure what the globalists like or don't like.
ok, so neither of us can work out why they might be covering up the existence of giants.
You begrudgingly accepted the elongated skull but only on the basis that it is deformed.
I haven't accepted anything - I know nothing about them and neither does science or you. That's a problem when we're trying to understand things. But knowing that giants don't exist and that elongated skulls of normal humans do, it's reasonable to assume that it's not the skull of a giant. To be able to find out for sure, some indepedent scientific tests would need to be made. The sort of things that are done everyday on millions of bones. Globalists permitting of course.
Maybe because it suggests devolution rather than evolution.
Well there's big and there's clever. Big is not necessarily the best of those two attributes. Of course the giants could be both big and clever, but that seems unlikely as they appear to be extinct. Even so, it's not a problem for science that giants once existed, it's just another interesting aspect of evolution. Dinosaurs were big too....
And if the globalists are doing such a terrible job why can't I get you guys to believe in giants?
Maybe it's because there are other variables involved, the main one being the total lack of evidence of them? Besides Al, I don't need to believe in giants, if them or their fossils exist I'll just accept them as good evidence, like I accept that dinasaurs existed. It's really not a problem.
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

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Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 322 of 2887 (774132)
12-13-2015 3:01 PM
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12-13-2015 1:15 PM


And if the globalists are doing such a terrible job why can't I get you guys to believe in giants?
'Cos there's no evidence for giants. You might as well ask --- if the globalists are doing such a terrible job why can't I get you guys to believe in flying pigs? It's got nothing to do with globalists, and everything to do with the truly dramatic paucity of volant suiformes.

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Message 323 of 2887 (774135)
12-13-2015 3:16 PM
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12-13-2015 1:15 PM


But I can see on these forums that you guys didn't take kindly to the giant fossils. You begrudgingly accepted the elongated skull but only on the basis that it is deformed.
Wait, you think the deformed skulls are evidence of giants? I wondered why you were talking about them.
But my dear Big Al, Julio Tello didn't just find the skulls. He found the entire mummies of the people in question. They were of normal stature. There are plenty of pictures of them on the Internet, y'know.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 324 of 2887 (774137)
12-13-2015 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 308 by Big_Al35
12-13-2015 10:39 AM


Big_Al35 writes:
The globalists are the people who have all the money and the power (aka the elite). They decide if you get a prize or not, they decide if you get paid or not, they decide if your discovery is worthy or not. Don't you get this?
First it's photoshopped giant skeletons, then it's false claims of a previously unknown distant human cousin, and now it's the "globalists." You're all over the place. Do you have anything to say about actual fossils - you know, the topic?
--Percy

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Message 325 of 2887 (774139)
12-13-2015 4:10 PM
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12-13-2015 2:30 PM


Tangle writes:
I haven't accepted anything - I know nothing about them and neither does science or you
That's right you haven't accepted anything. Infact none of you guys have. You operate like a collective. Are you and your forum buddies just one massive entity? You all share the same views and opinions? What kind of group think is this? You do know the globalists are masters of mind-control?

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Message 326 of 2887 (774140)
12-13-2015 4:39 PM
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12-13-2015 4:10 PM


You do know the globalists are masters of mind-control?
Well of course! We all know that. The only time I take off my foil helmet is when I am sleeping.
Are you and your forum buddies just one massive entity? You all share the same views and opinions? What kind of group think is this?
What does any of this have to do with fossils being absolute evidence for evolution? Do you have anything to say about that?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 327 of 2887 (774153)
12-13-2015 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 303 by Big_Al35
12-13-2015 9:27 AM


Would you release precious data to the globalists? Knowing full well that they will either destroy it, claim that it's a fake, discredit the source, or say it's no big deal?
Yes, of course.
First, your paranoid delusions are laughably false. Second, I'd love an all expense paid trip to Stockholm to shake hands with King Gustaf.

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Message 328 of 2887 (774154)
12-13-2015 10:31 PM
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12-13-2015 4:10 PM


That's right you haven't accepted anything. Infact none of you guys have. You operate like a collective. Are you and your forum buddies just one massive entity? You all share the same views and opinions? What kind of group think is this? You do know the globalists are masters of mind-control?
Yes, why else do we all think that two plus two is four, rather than five, or seventeen, or a small yak called Ethel? Such uniformity of opinion can only be caused by the globalists.

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Message 329 of 2887 (774160)
12-14-2015 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 328 by Dr Adequate
12-13-2015 10:31 PM


Dr Adequate writes:
Yes, why else do we all think that two plus two is four
Ahhh but I can prove that 2=1. Let me show you -
if a=b=1
then a=b; therefore a^2=ab; therefore a^2-b^2=ab-b^2
therefore (a+b)(a-b)=b(a-b)
Now if we remove a-b from both sides we get a+b=b ie proof that 2=1

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Message 330 of 2887 (774161)
12-14-2015 3:23 AM
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12-14-2015 3:20 AM


there are rules
and dividing by zero is prohibited because it produces stupid results like that one.

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