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Pressie
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Message 331 of 2887 (774164)
12-14-2015 7:10 AM
Reply to: Message 329 by Big_Al35
12-14-2015 3:20 AM


He-he-he
You really never passed the first semester of Maths 1.

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Pressie
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Message 332 of 2887 (774165)
12-14-2015 7:20 AM
Reply to: Message 317 by Big_Al35
12-13-2015 1:15 PM


Big_Al35 writes:
I'm not sure what the globalists like or don't like. But I can see on these forums that you guys didn't take kindly to the giant fossils.
Oh, as a sworn globalist (I just despise Communists and Conservative Republicans equally; they're all the same to me), maybe it's because of the fact that I have actually seen quite few mammal-like reptile fossils being carefully excavated from the surrounding rocks. Never seen a giant human fossil being excavated from any rock in SA, though.
And those guys who claim to have found those fossils somewhere overseas don't ever provide anything about them for analyses.

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Message 333 of 2887 (774166)
12-14-2015 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 328 by Dr Adequate
12-13-2015 10:31 PM


...why else do we all think that two plus two is four... (rather than) ... a small yak called Ethel?
Citation, please.

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Big_Al35
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Message 334 of 2887 (774167)
12-14-2015 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 330 by NosyNed
12-14-2015 3:23 AM


Re: there are rules
NosyNed writes:
and dividing by zero is prohibited because it produces stupid results like that one
Now what if I hadn't told you that a=b=1 but left all the rest of the calculation. That's algebra for you.

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Percy
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Message 335 of 2887 (774172)
12-14-2015 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 325 by Big_Al35
12-13-2015 4:10 PM


Big_Al35 writes:
That's right you haven't accepted anything. Infact none of you guys have. You operate like a collective. Are you and your forum buddies just one massive entity? You all share the same views and opinions? What kind of group think is this?
We're all just people who demand evidence for what we believe, including new claims, especially unusual ones. You'll usually find a unanimity of opinion behind ideas supported by mountains of facts. People trained to only accept fact-based claims will immediately recognize when there is a lack of facts.
So of course we agree where facts are involved. We know that the moon orbits the Earth, Paris is in France, Genghis Khan never met Caesar, eight-story tall people would have to have massively more robust skeletons, photos can easily be faked, and the discovery of new species isn't announced by flim-flam artists whose YouTube page is titled, "Ancient Lost Worlds and Hidden History." Basing beliefs upon evidence isn't rocket science, and it certainly isn't group-think.
Looking into your elongated skull claims a little more I found this article: The Brien Foerster-Paracas Skull Fiasco Updated. Apparently the DNA sequencing was done by Melba Ketchum, the same "geneticist" (actually a veterinarian) who found Bigfoot's DNA a few years ago (see Bigfoot DNA Studies at Wikipedia).
What's really incredible about this is that some people actually need it proved to them that some people just make stuff up. We encounter it everyday. No one with any sense accepts everything they read. So if you have a modicum of sense then apply some critical analysis to what you read.
You do know the globalists are masters of mind-control?
A discussion about "the globalists" belongs over at Coffee House, not here. You can discuss the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg Group, the Freemasons, the Illuminati and the Elders of Zion at the same time.
Do you have anything to say about fossil support for the theory of evolution?
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Wordsmithing first para.

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Percy
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Message 336 of 2887 (774174)
12-14-2015 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 334 by Big_Al35
12-14-2015 7:44 AM


Re: there are rules
Big_Al35 writes:
Now what if I hadn't told you that a=b=1 but left all the rest of the calculation. That's algebra for you.
Could you take this to a thread where it would be on topic?
--Percy

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Big_Al35
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Message 337 of 2887 (774206)
12-14-2015 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 335 by Percy
12-14-2015 8:47 AM


Percy writes:
People trained to only accept fact-based claims will immediately recognize when there is a lack of facts.
You say trained - I say programmed.
Percy writes:
We know that the moon orbits the Earth, Genghis Khan never met Caesar
Do you really know this or were you taught it?
Percy writes:
Apparently the DNA sequencing was done by Melba Ketchum, the same "geneticist" (actually a veterinarian) who found Bigfoot's DNA a few years ago
Who cares about credentials. I can listen to someone with a nobel prize or someone with no credentials and yet reject them both the same.
Percy writes:
What's really incredible about this is that some people actually need it proved to them that some people just make stuff up
Sure people make stuff up. But why would you carefully handcraft a skull with such great precision. Money? Well they aren't getting any from me. Not only that by why would many many different countries craft the same elongated type skulls over and over again. Who benefits? The museums? Well you aren't jumping on the first flight there are you? Do you think it might be the globalists? And as for extracting DNA from a plastic replica, I guess they are just getting bolder with their lies.
Edited by Big_Al35, : No reason given.

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DrJones*
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Message 338 of 2887 (774207)
12-14-2015 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by Big_Al35
12-14-2015 1:11 PM


But why would you carefully handcraft a skull with such great precision
nobody is saying that all the skulls are fake, just that they don't represent what you claim they represent.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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caffeine
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Message 339 of 2887 (774211)
12-14-2015 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 335 by Percy
12-14-2015 8:47 AM


Genghis Khan never met Caesar
I beg to differ:

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Dr Adequate
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Message 340 of 2887 (774212)
12-14-2015 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by Big_Al35
12-14-2015 1:11 PM


Sure people make stuff up. But why would you carefully handcraft a skull with such great precision. Money? Well they aren't getting any from me. Not only that by why would many many different countries craft the same elongated type skulls over and over again. Who benefits? The museums? Well you aren't jumping on the first flight there are you? Do you think it might be the globalists? And as for extracting DNA from a plastic replica, I guess they are just getting bolder with their lies.
One more time. Everyone you're talking to believes the skulls are genuine.
If you wish to argue with us, you need to put forward a proposition that we don't believe, and not a proposition that we all say is undoubtedly true.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Percy
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Message 341 of 2887 (774213)
12-14-2015 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by Big_Al35
12-14-2015 1:11 PM


Big_Al35 writes:
Percy writes:
People trained to only accept fact-based claims will immediately recognize when there is a lack of facts.
You say trained - I say programmed.
Whether people are trained or programmed, there is no better foundation than facts for understanding. If you're basing your beliefs on something besides facts than you'll be wrong over and over again, as you're demonstrating before our very eyes.
Percy writes:
We know that the moon orbits the Earth, Genghis Khan never met Caesar
Do you really know this or were you taught it?
I said "we." Our fact-based studies of the world in which we live have revealed facts telling us that the moon orbits the Earth and that Genghis Khan and Caesar's lifespans did not overlap.
Percy writes:
Apparently the DNA sequencing was done by Melba Ketchum, the same "geneticist" (actually a veterinarian) who found Bigfoot's DNA a few years ago
Who cares about credentials. I can listen to someone with a nobel prize or someone with no credentials and yet reject them both the same.
You're missing the point. I of course was not advocating the fallacy of Appeal to Authority, but if you're going to take someone's word for something, wouldn't it be better to trust a reputable scientist than someone with a reputation for fabrication?
Sure people make stuff up. But why would you carefully handcraft a skull with such great precision.
This is what happens when you get distracted by "the globalists" and silly math blunders: you lose your way in the discussion. As DrJones* already told you, no one has claimed the skulls are fabricated (it was the photo of the excavation of a giant human skeleton that was fabricated). In fact, it has been stated at least several times that the skulls are very real. What was actually said is that the claims of a single parietal bone and of mutations that distance the skulls from humans are fabricated. They were made up. Making things up is something that some people do and that you seem to be especially vulnerable to. I really can't believe I haven't received your order for Magic Crystal Water yet.
--Percy

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Message 342 of 2887 (774216)
12-14-2015 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 341 by Percy
12-14-2015 1:56 PM


Percy writes:
Whether people are trained or programmed, there is no better foundation than facts
But training doesn't rely on facts. It relies on what you been told to believe.
Percy writes:
I said "we." Our fact-based studies of the world in which we live have revealed facts telling us that the moon orbits the Earth and that Genghis Khan and Caesar's lifespans did not overlap.
You said we. So again you are relying on what someone else has informed you.
Percy writes:
wouldn't it be better to trust a reputable scientist than someone with a reputation for fabrication
But I know that it is the reputable scientists who do most of the fabrication. They must do because other scientists don't get a look in.
Percy writes:
What was actually said is that the claims of a single parietal bone and of mutations that distance the skulls from humans are fabricated
First you didn't read my link, then you claimed that it was just head binding, others are claiming a deformity, another claimed it would dent the tour business and that it was a fabrication. Yet another discredited the credentials. There seems to be a pattern emerging here; along the lines that the globalists would use as I had suggested earlier. You're not working for them are you? Silly me, of course you are - aren't we all?
The single parietal bone would be the key piece of evidence supporting this new species theory along with the DNA but we wouldn't have even got into a discussion about that if I had simply rolled over under the pressure of the 'head binding' argument. Ofcourse, we might not even had the discussion about head binding if you could have gotten away with the 'they don't exist' argument. But you had already used that excuse on the 'giant skeletons' parley earlier.
Which ever excuse works best eh. So based on this pattern I kinda figure that giant skeletons really do exist.
Edited by Big_Al35, : No reason given.

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Message 343 of 2887 (774219)
12-14-2015 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 342 by Big_Al35
12-14-2015 3:41 PM


Which ever excuse works best eh. So based on this pattern I kinda figure that giant skeletons really do exist.
So where are they? In a secret globalist storage locker in Hamtramck, Michigan?

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Percy
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Message 344 of 2887 (774220)
12-14-2015 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 342 by Big_Al35
12-14-2015 3:41 PM


Big_Al35 writes:
Percy writes:
Whether people are trained or programmed, there is no better foundation than facts
But training doesn't rely on facts. It relies on what you been told to believe.
You seem to be working as hard as you can to misunderstand the point. The foundation of knowledge is facts. Whatever the knowledge, if the ultimate source isn't facts (whether you gathered them yourself or someone else did) then the knowledge is not reliable.
Percy writes:
I said "we." Our fact-based studies of the world in which we live have revealed facts telling us that the moon orbits the Earth and that Genghis Khan and Caesar's lifespans did not overlap.
You said we. So again you are relying on what someone else has informed you.
I'm relying upon knowledge built upon a body of evidence that can be found in the published literature. The key point is that the knowledge is based upon evidence.
If you're not using facts to decide what is true and what is not then it's just your personal opinion.
Percy writes:
wouldn't it be better to trust a reputable scientist than someone with a reputation for fabrication
But I know that it is the reputable scientists who do most of the fabrication.
And what is the source of this information? Given your arguments, we can presume this isn't based upon anything factual.
They must do because other scientists don't get a look in.
You've got it exactly backwards. It is your guys, Juan Navarro and Brien Foerster and April Holloway (a pen name), who haven't provided "a look in." We know this because they haven't written any technical paper describing their evidence of a single parietal bone and significantly mutated DNA. All you have is an article at a flim-flam site making unsupported claims. When you find the technical paper describing the findings you let us know.
True scientists are very open and always provide "a look in" by publishing their work in technical journals. A scientist's work is reviewed by his peers when they read his papers (there's an earlier peer review by a subset of peers prior to publication).
Percy writes:
What was actually said is that the claims of a single parietal bone and of mutations that distance the skulls from humans are fabricated
First you didn't read my link, then you claimed that it was just head binding, others are claiming a deformity, another claimed it would dent the tour business and that it was a fabrication.
You have the reading comprehension of a chipmunk. Everyone here says it's head binding. No one claimed a deformity or that the skulls were fabrications. You're misinterpreting Message 295 where AZPaul3 referred to them as deformities created in infants, and pointed out that the "scientist" making these bizarre claims runs a "paranormal tour" business.
Yet another discredited the credentials.
What credentials? You mean the veterinarian who supposedly does DNA analysis and then makes claims without publishing any data?
There seems to be a pattern emerging here; along the lines that the globalists...
You're veering off course again. I think the globalists have got in your head.
Of course, we might not even had the discussion about head binding if you could have gotten away with the 'they don't exist' argument.
You're imagining things again. Nobody argued that elongated heads don't exist. This has been pointed out to you countless times now. What is your problem?
Which ever excuse works best eh. So based on this pattern I kinda figure that giant skeletons really do exist.
You're hopeless. I can only repeat that if you want to know something, you should seek out facts.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
Edited by Percy, : More grammar.

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caffeine
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Message 345 of 2887 (774221)
12-14-2015 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 344 by Percy
12-14-2015 4:23 PM


You're imagining things again. Nobody argued that elongated heads don't exist. This has been pointed out to you countless times now. What is your problem?
To make this point clear, we know how people's heads are made this shape, as it continued to happen into historical times, and even continues today in a few places, such as the eastern Congo. The below is not a fraud, nor anything supernatural. He is a normal human being. His unusually-shaped head is simply the result of wrapping it tightly in cloth as a baby so it was constrained to grow in this shape.
Edited by caffeine, : No reason given.

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