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Topic: Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka?
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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The French are a white race. Wow! That makes you sound like a racist who could be against interracial marriage. Please tell you didn't mean that.
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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I agree. Thanks for agreeing that he and his misogynous religion is the one forcing the wearing of that apparel. Since not all muslims men are forcing the niqab, I suggest you think about it for a second. It always been the man, not the religion.
But what do you suggest we do to such a fundamentally flawed person? We already have laws to protect the women.
I have already suggested that we force Islam to alter the message of their jihadist and misogynous man creating Qur'an. Few seemed to think we could ask that so I have no other solution except for what follow. Oh I remember. I also said you had it wrong and just had to change the way you think about it. (This was your argument after all... senseless but yeah that was all you could come up with in the end).
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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Again you put an idiotic view that is not indicated at all. Surprise! More insults!
The French are a white race. Please explain the meaning of this then.
Who is the racist here? Please don't ask me that, you wouldn't like the answer.
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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If we --- "already have laws to protect the women" --- then we would not be discussing a law to protect her from or reducing her oppression. We have laws agaisnt murder. It doesn't mean it won't happen.
Do you think a Muslim man will think of the security of the person of his wife? How is it relevant to the topic? You drift off topic all the time. It's almost like you don't have an argument.
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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What color do you think we French are? Black. A black man or woman isn't a French? From here :
As of 2004, French conservative think-tank Institut Montaigne estimated that there were 60 million (85%) white people of European origin, 6 million (10%) North African people, 2 million (3.5%) Black people and 1 million (1.5%) people of Asian origin in Metropolitan France, including all generations of immigrant descendants. Are you saying that 15% of the population of France aren't French? And you asked who sounded like a racist?
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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Message 214 of 372 (773750)
12-08-2015 2:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 200 by Phat
12-05-2015 4:03 PM
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Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
From this this news linked in the description of the video :
During the proceeding, Judge Marengo cited Article 13 of the regulations of the Court of Quebec. That article states: "Any person appearing before the court must be suitably dressed." You can read the full text of the regulations here. My opinion is that the judge was completely wrong but she should get along well with GIA. They should have a beer. Edited by Bliyaal, : No reason given.
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
I do not want to remove a woman's right to choose. Yes that's exactly what you want.
I do want to remove the oppression of their Muslim husbands and fathers who force them to wear what they choose. You've been told many times that we already have laws for that.
I want to free slaves while you do nothing. You want to be the slaver!
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
We have laws against everything but yet much evil continues. What do you propose then? Dictatorship? And what if you make the hijab illegal? By your logic it will continues. Try to make some sense.
No argument. We all have what Jung and Freud called the Father complex which makes all of us want to be top dog. That Complex is strong in me. I think it is the strongest in the most moral and the most corrupt. And I guess you view yourself as the most moral since intolerance is moral in your mind.
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
I believe in a political system that the world has yet to form. Socrates would call it a Timocratic system. It is basically a system run by duty and honor while at the same time being quite intolerant and in fact quite tyrannical in the case of those who break the law. From here :
A timocracy is a state where only property owners may participate in government. The more extreme forms of timocracy, where power derives entirely from wealth with no regard for social or civic responsibility, may shift in their form and become a plutocracy where the wealthy and powerful use their power to entrench their wealth. In The Republic, Plato describes five regimes (of which four are unjust). Timocracy is listed as the first "unjust" regime. That's your idea of morals?
So yes, intolerance is a quality in many cases as it means, in this one, that I will not tolerate an immoral religion and ideology like Islam and Sharia to come into my country if I can help it. Who's going to choose what to tolerate or not? You? I knew your ideas were scary but not as much as they actually are. I'm glad we have laws and charters of rights to protect us from people who think like you.
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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Am I right if I say that you seems to be against every bills/charters of rights protecting the rights of the minorities from the dictatorship of the majority? For your sake, I hope you never find yourself in the minority position.
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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Re: Not in MY Courtroom!
Are you serious or a troll? You wrote 3 lines. You were the one talking about timocracy. I asked you if this was your idea of morals. I also asked more questions but I notice you ignored that too. Nice honesty that...
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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I am talking of the protection from oppression of a minority of Muslim women in our countries. No, let me remember you what you wrote.
I see it as doing more good for the majority than harm to the oppressed as I see the majority not wanting to be forced to wear what they do not want to wear. You want a majority rule even if it means some harm for a minority. We told you countless times that we already have laws protecting the women you say you want to help but you keep forgetting it like you keep forgetting that most choose to wear the hijab freely. But hey, at least you're honest. We now know who you are and what type of society you want to live in. You can stop pretending you want to protect people except your prefered ones.
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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You mean like you didn't post evidence that they're all oppressed by their husbands? Until then, they made the choice freely.
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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That tells me more about those who are uncomfortable around it than about those who wear it. Should you try to find surveys asking the same question about homosexuals, blacks, etc... ? I'm sure you could get similar results. Feminist movements burned their bra as a sign of freedom from oppression. Do you want to make bras illegal?
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Bliyaal
Member (Idle past 2389 days) Posts: 171 From: Quebec City, Qc, Canada Joined: 02-17-2012
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Re: Put yourself in someone else's shoes
With your type of ideology, I wouldn't hire you either.
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