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Jon
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Message 31 of 237 (774386)
12-16-2015 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
12-10-2015 8:52 PM


I guess one question would be: Why?
Why does it matter how many people of different skin colors there are?

Love your enemies!

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Message 32 of 237 (774431)
12-17-2015 4:15 PM
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12-16-2015 11:02 PM


Jon
Have you seen this movie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNQ7klf9Sxs
One particular sequence of DNA could be the life saver for the whole human race.
Whites happen to have the most genetic variation within the human race.
That, and add the social benefits that white people are responsible for, democracy, and if the rest of the world does not recognize that overall worth, and show their thanks via loyalty to it then it is not too bright or moral.
Regards
DL

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Message 33 of 237 (774432)
12-17-2015 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Theodoric
12-13-2015 10:56 AM


Re: Race and ideology are not synonymous
Theodoric
So you think that a person married to one of another race can be racist against that same race.
Real bright that.
Regards
DL

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Message 34 of 237 (774433)
12-17-2015 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by ringo
12-13-2015 1:26 PM


ringo
I agree and would have them pay all present citizens, regardless of color, instead of bringing in new immigrants that might impoverish the present citizens and thus help make them decide not to reproduce.
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DL

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Message 35 of 237 (774434)
12-17-2015 4:42 PM


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It has been claimed at least a couple times now that the greatest genetic variation lies within the Caucasian race. This is untrue. The greatest genetic diversity exists in Africa. From the Wikipedia page on Human genetic variation:
quote:
...Africa contains the most human genetic diversity anywhere on Earth...
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For example, in addition to having higher levels of genetic diversity, populations in Africa...
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The recent African origin theory for humans would predict that in Africa there exists a great deal more diversity than elsewhere, and that diversity should decrease the further from Africa a population is sampled.
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Sub-Saharan Africa has the most human genetic diversity...
Here's a link to a list of scholarly articles about Africa and human genetic diversity.

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Message 36 of 237 (774435)
12-17-2015 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Greatest I am
12-13-2015 9:09 AM


If the Western whites did not produce the best social and political system to date, as you indicate, then who did?
(1) "Whiteness" is not a causative agent behind the nature of social and political systems. That Western whites produced certain social and political systems is merely a contingency of history. The "whiteness" of the people is a meaningless correlation.
(2) Sociopolitical systems do not evolve in a vacuum. Study transculturation. I.e., so-called Western institutions have a diverse and varied pedigree. Science, for example, owes much of its structure to Arabia.
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Message 37 of 237 (774438)
12-17-2015 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Greatest I am
12-13-2015 9:21 AM


Re: SMH
Have you noted that medical science is using more and more gene and DNA therapies of late and they say that that way is the way of the future?
Uh, okay. This is irrelevant, but okay.
You can say white and not be so stupidly politically correct and insult whites with your, --- different melanin concentrations. That sounds so stupid.
"That sounds so stupid" is not an argument. You haven't addressed my actual arguments.
Whites have the most variety in DNA...
Admin has already pointed out that you're wrong about this. Anyone who's taken pretty basic biology courses would know you're wrong about this.
Oh, and it's not just like I think you're wrong about this, or you're kinda wrong about this. You're absolutely, categorically wrong when you say whites have the most variety in DNA. Read up on the following papers, then come back and admit that you've erred:
Larger Genetic Differences Within Africans Than Between Africans and Eurasians, 2002.
Minisatellite diversity supports a recent African origin for modern humans, 1996.
Mitochondrial genome variation and the origin of modern humans, 2000.
A map of human genome sequence variation containing 1.42 million single nucleotide polymorphisms, 2001.
The Distribution of Human Genetic Diversity: A Comparison of Mitochondrial, Autosomal, and Y-Chromosome Data, 2000.
DNA sequence variation in a non-coding region of low recombination on the human X chromosome, 1999.
Contrasting Evolutionary Histories of Two Introns of the Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy Gene, Dmd, in Humans, 2000.
Support from the relationship of genetic and geographic distance in human populations for a serial founder effect originating in Africa, 2005.
Have you seen this movie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNQ7klf9Sxs
One particular sequence of DNA could be the life saver for the whole human race.
Whites happen to have the most genetic variation within the human race.
See above. A large body of molecular phylogenetic, bioinformatic, and other empirical evidence refutes your notion that whites have the most genetic variation.
That, and add the social benefits that white people are responsible for, democracy, and if the rest of the world does not recognize that overall worth, and show their thanks via loyalty to it then it is not too bright or moral.
Whiteness still isn't a causative agent behind democracy. It's a contingency of history. You're making a rudimentary statistical mistake (correlation = causation) that a simple course in statistics should ameliorate.
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Message 38 of 237 (774439)
12-17-2015 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Greatest I am
12-13-2015 9:21 AM


Re: SMH
Whites have the most variety in DNA and will be responsible for more cures of various diseases than other sub-groups within the human race.
Disease cures don't happen in a vacuum. They are not singular moments attributable to one individual, laboratory, or group of people. Please provide empirical evidence that whites will be responsible for more cures of diseases than other sub-groups within the human race. If you don't have that empirical evidence, then you're just making stuff up as you go along.

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Jon
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Message 39 of 237 (774453)
12-17-2015 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Greatest I am
12-17-2015 4:15 PM


That, and add the social benefits that white people are responsible for, democracy, and if the rest of the world does not recognize that overall worth, and show their thanks via loyalty to it then it is not too bright or moral.
Okay.
But certainly just because white people founded these superior institutions doesn't mean no one of any other race can figure out how to make use of them.

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Message 40 of 237 (774468)
12-18-2015 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Greatest I am
12-17-2015 4:16 PM


Re: Race and ideology are not synonymous
So you think that a person married to one of another race can be racist against that same race.
Yes, but that isn't at all what I said is it?
Real bright that.
I think that right there speaks volumes for the quality of your arguments.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 41 of 237 (774479)
12-18-2015 11:13 AM
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12-17-2015 4:19 PM


Greatest I am writes:
... instead of bringing in new immigrants that might impoverish the present citizens and thus help make them decide not to reproduce.
My grandparents were immigrants. They didn't impoverish Canada, they enriched it.

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Message 42 of 237 (774486)
12-18-2015 11:39 AM
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12-18-2015 11:13 AM


All immigrants are not equal, that's why sane nations have laws about what immigrants to accept. Muslim nations are not exactly fine examples of successful cultures, whereas I'd guess your grandparents came from a successful western culture and that's why they could enrich Canada's. My own grandparents went to Canada from the UK and have produced a large fourth generation of successful descendants.
By the way there is a law in the US that was written in 1952 that I just heard about and can't remember the name of, that was aimed at Communists at the time but would certainly apply to Muslims: prohibiting the immigration of people whose beliefs include the overthrow of the American government, which certainly describes the written intentions of Islam whether any given Muslim is inclined to act on them at the moment or not. Prohibits their immigration and provides the ground to deport them at any time.
And, not particularly to you but to the thread in general: What is this insane idea that our laws apply to foreigners? Such as the first amendment. Laws apply to the citizens of the country. Period.
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Message 43 of 237 (774490)
12-18-2015 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Faith
12-18-2015 11:39 AM


the overthrow of the American government, which certainly describes the written intentions of Islam
Bullshit.
prohibiting the immigration of people whose beliefs include the overthrow of the American government
So how do you determine what their beliefs are? Do you really think a government overthrower is going to declare their intentions when they come here?
Do you really think anyone, any group, has the means to overthrow the U.S. government?
150 years ago we fought the bloodiest war in our history to prove nobody could overthrow our government.
The danger is not a bunch of immigrants coming to this country; it is the it is the puppet masters distracting your attention from their takeover of our government.

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Message 44 of 237 (774492)
12-18-2015 11:58 AM
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12-18-2015 11:39 AM


All the stuff GIA has been imputing to the white race has nothing to do with race, but with culture, and the culture of Europeans, which the white race happened to populate, produced all those benefits because of its philosophical foundations, which included Christianity. Not about race, about culture and philosophy. Prohibiting Muslims from immigration has nothing to do with race either, it's about the culture of Islam and its subversive intentions.

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Message 45 of 237 (774493)
12-18-2015 12:04 PM
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12-18-2015 11:56 AM


wasn't I clear that the point is the WRITTEN intentions of the culture the people are from. Islam's documents prescribe the overthrow of everything nonMuslim and the establishment of a worldwide caliphate with Sharia law which is opposed to American law and western law in general. '
If the population of a group that follows such an agenda grows large enough of course it can overthrow the US government.
150 years ago nobody COULD overthrow our government, but that was really because God was on our side. He isn't any more.
But we've always had laws prohibiting or limiting immigration to culturally alien people too. People who have no intentuion of assimilating ought to be prohibited.
As for other forces taking over the government, the present regime has gone a long way toward that end and I'm well aware there are many others contributing their own subversive agendas.

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