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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
The South is mostly Democrats, where are you getting all this stuff about Republicans becoming racist during the Civil Rights era? Oh, are they still mostly Democrats? Would you care to cite sources to confirm that? Now, Theodoric's statement about the situation during the Civil Rights Era does bear some scrutiny. As I already stated recently, in the post-Civil-War era, Republicans were thoroughly hated. That left members of the Democratic Party the only ones anyone could vote for *. During the Civil Rights Era, the mid-1960's, the entrenched Southern Democratic Party (AKA "Dixie-crats") were still deeply invested in racial segregation. It was circa 1980 when the Democratic ultra-conservatives jumped ship for the Republican raft. The other night on Sirius XM Insight, I heard a call-in Republican who had voted for Mitt Romney. In order to do so, she had to hold her nose really tight. And in the end, she had to have her 5-year-old actually push the button.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
The era in question was the two or three decades preceding 1980. Does that trump it for you? Here is the problem:
The South is mostly Democrats, where are you getting all this stuff about Republicans becoming racist during the Civil Rights era? Once you set off the phrase "the South is mostly Democrats" from the rest of the sentence with a comma, it becomes sort of an independent clause. Had you been as articulate in making this statement as the meaning you meant to convey you would have written something like this: "During the Civil Rights era, the South was mostly Democrats" Notice also the lack of present tense, which is vastly more accurate than the use of present tense as in "the South is mostly Democrats," which is, at present, a patently and demonstrably false statement. In this case either you are intentionally misleading (hence the title) or unintentionally misleading, which makes you somewhat less articulate than you have been given credit for on this board. Now as to the remainder of your sentence "where are you getting all this stuff about Republicans becoming racist during the Civil Rights era?," the answer is easy. During the Civil Rights era, the traitor Confederate racists moved from identifying as Democrats to Republicans as Nixon's Southern Strategy predicted, a patently and demonstrably true statement. Edited by anglagard, : Divide last paragraph into two sentences Edited by anglagard, : change coma to comma, although the term coma likely should have found its way into this postRead not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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Admin Director Posts: 13038 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Less bickering, more discussion.
I much prefer that my moderation requests be understood before I take any action, and so I have in the last year or so given lengthy moderator interaction and feedback in some threads. But they proved to be ineffective (they seemed to be taken as opportunities to work around my moderation efforts), and I don't think they were much appreciated by most people. So I won't be engaging in lengthy and detailed explanations and feedback anymore. I think everyone knows I like civility, rationality, constructive approaches, and focus on the topic, and knows how I define those terms. The Forum Guidelines have only ten short items that attempt to express the spirit of the how discussion should be conducted here, so please reference those if you have questions. Please, no replies to this message. Edited by Admin, : Grammar. Edited by Admin, : Wordsmith and clarify paragraph 3.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Removed in the interest of complying with moderator direction.
And because most of this was already said. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
The racist wing has long left the Democratic Party.
Southern strategy - Wikipedia Edited by Theodoric, : As per mods requestFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Strom Thurmond and others switched to Republican party in 1960's
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I did misstate some things, but to try to set it all straight, the context was originally the Ku Kux Klan and they were Democrats. All the rest is open to correction.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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Our politicians are trying to maintain our populations through immigration and as we can see in Europe, this is not doing the white race any good at all. What is the "white race?" Back before the concept of race was discredited by unlocking the human genome, races were generally divided into three greater subdivisions Caucasian, Negroid, and Mongoloid with two additional categories that the 1964 World Book Encyclopedia saw fit to add -- Amerindian and Australoid. So under this discredited categorization what race are Hispanics? Arabs? Hindustanis? the Danakil of Ethiopia (who are as black in melanin as anyone on Earth). Guess what, they were all considered Caucasian, even by the old standard. The term "white race" was even obsolete in 1964 and the only time I hear it today, it is used by White Supremacists such as the KKK, skinheads, Neo-Nazis, and some Christian Fundamentalists like the 7th who used to work for me (commonly found in West Texas), or at least implied by the current crop of Republican Presidential candidates. Instead of wallowing in some discredited concept from the past, why not participate in the modern world of genetics? I have a ballpark knowledge of my Y chromosome heritage, which is R1b1b2a1c where R1=Ukraine 22k BCE, b1=immigration to Europe, b2=Western Europe, and a1c=Northern Germany and the Netherlands later making up 2% of England's population concentrated in the Southeast. The USA Hispanic term "Anglo" for all non-Hispanic Europeans may be inaccurate, but not necessarily in my case, just as calling a Virgin Island Ghanaian descendant of the slave trade Hispanic would be in mine. Now isn't that more honest and informative than "white race?" Why would we even worry about the decline of the so-called "white race?" Last time I was in Socorro visiting my daughter, her roommates (two Hindustani Petroleum Engineering, one Ecuadorian Math, and one Egyptian apostate atheist Math grad students) sat down over Long Island Iced Teas and watched the middle movie of the three colors trilogy (named after the colors of the French flag) White from the Polish director Kristof Kieslowski. (oh, BTW, my daughter according to Mormon genealogy is a direct descendant of Rollo of Normandy through my late wife, who according to Wikipedia if you backtrack it, is a direct descendant of Odin through Fryer and therefore a blood relative of Thor and Loki. Why would she associate with anyone who uses the term "white race" when her ancestry is true Vahalla-grade OG. Are you not, to her, with your antiquated concepts, of an inferior race? ). I assure you the conversation was vastly more intellectual then the one you propose here. Also, immigrants from all over the world contribute to the USA. For example, my dad rented the apartment in the back of the Masonic Lodge to this Chinese grad student in Hydrology, who later dumped her Chinese boyfriend, got the PhD, married a "white" guy and said up yours to Communist China - suckers. In my experience at New Mexico Tech, this was inevitable, except in one case, for all foreign grad students. I would also remind you that the "white race" is incapable of harvesting fruit and vegetables. A few years ago IIRC Georgia cracked down in illegals to the point no one was around to pick the crops. Next thing you know the produce is rotting in the fields, the farmers now desperate try to use the incarcerated (largely the descendants of former slaves due to a combination of racism and unfairly enforced stupid drug laws), and even they could not handle it. Greatest I am, perhaps you need to learn and get out of your box a bit more. Edited by anglagard, : Change if to of in last sentence. Edited by anglagard, : Equal capitalizationRead not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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the context was originally the Ku Kux Klan and they were Democrats They're still around. And staunchly Republican.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Deleted. I don't want to post here.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Yes, we used to "know" that privileges were for white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant males. We're slowly managing to unlearn that.
Sure we do, or we used to know. Faith writes:
It's funny how some people think they can magically insert democracy into places like Syria and Iraq but they don't want Syrians or Iraqis coming here to see it first-hand.
We want people who understand and will further the principles of a liberal democracy, and that is often half determined by where they come from.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Racism was originally a human thing. We evolved that way. My original point was that racism was originally a Democrat thing. You're just cherry-picking a point in time when your political enemies were "worse than you". It's a bit like the US Cavalry pausing during the massacre of an Indian village to condemn slavery.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
To really set it all straight, the context was originally the Canadian Ku Klux Klan. They were not Democrats.
... to try to set it all straight, the context was originally the Ku Kux Klan and they were Democrats.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sigh. I suppose I shouldn't give in to the temptation to keep this silly topic going, but here's another attempt to review the sequence:
You equated conservatives with the Ku Klux Klan. Perhaps you had a Canadian context in mind but you were talking to ME and the apparent implication was that you were linking ME, the conservative here, with the Klan. So of course I responded with the information that the first Klan was Democrats and the South was traditionally Democrats, and I am NOT in any way Klannish. Why do you want to hang that on me anyway?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Ringo referred to the Canadian Conservative Party. If you happen to be a member of that party I didn't know it. And if you are, I don't see that as a reason to refrain from comments critical of that party.
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