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Hyroglyphx
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Message 91 of 237 (774622)
12-19-2015 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Greatest I am
12-17-2015 4:15 PM


Whites do not have the most genetic variation, Sub-Saharan blacks have more, especially when considering that it's incontrovertible that all the races developed in sub-Saharan Africa. As for the development of democracy, it may or may not have been developed by "whites" as a matter of happenstance or deliberation. But what's your point exactly -- that all races need to bow in deference to white people for introducing democracy? That's a rather elitist position to take, especially since it sounds like you're taking credit for it on account that you happen to be white.
Race is just about as nebulous as gender, and it is not something one can control, so I hardly understand why anyone can take pride in something that was not earned but rather was assigned to them in the womb.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 92 of 237 (774623)
12-20-2015 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Faith
12-18-2015 11:39 AM


Although I shouldn't respond to this because it's technically derailing the OP, you are painting with an awfully broad brush. To accept that all Muslims are the same is to likewise assume that all Christian denominations are the same. You know that isn't true, so why do you assume that all Muslims think or behave alike?

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Message 93 of 237 (774627)
12-20-2015 2:05 AM
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12-20-2015 12:06 AM


Although I shouldn't respond to this because it's technically derailing the OP, you are painting with an awfully broad brush. To accept that all Muslims are the same is to likewise assume that all Christian denominations are the same. You know that isn't true, so why do you assume that all Muslims think or behave alike?
I don't know why people persist in making this same mistake. I've never said that MUSLIMS think or behave alike. I'm always talking about the WRITTEN TEXTS OF ISLAM. I believe I've made this clear over and over again.
Individual Muslims may believe any version or part of those texts at any given time, but the fact is that the texts are there to be believed if and when an individual Muslim for whatever reason gets "radicalized." It's ISLAM that is the subversive force. There is no way to know in the case of individual Muslims how much of Islam they believe or will believe in the future. Statistics show that a huge percentage of Muslims, most of whom would probably never commit a murderous act, nevertheless support those who do so in the name of Allah. And why? Because they are Muslims and believe that's what Allah wants.
There are plenty of examples of very nice Muslims nobody would suspect of the slightest jihadi motives wno then turn out to voice support of a bloody jihadi attack, such as the one in France. It's the IDEOLOGY that must be rejected, and that means rejecting all those who say they subscribe to it, who call themselves Muslims, since there is no way to determine their potential to get radicalized, or in fact to be already radicalized since they aren't going to tell you if they are.
The friend of the San Bernardino shooters who supplied them with guns said they all knew there were lots of "sleeper cells" of Muslims in America and Europe who would turn jihadi at the opportune time. You may want to play Russian roulette with the people you admit into your neighborhood. I do not.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 94 of 237 (774629)
12-20-2015 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Faith
12-20-2015 2:05 AM


Aren't you being selective, if not hypocritical then given the horrific atrocities within the bible? There are passages where the LORD commands them to smash infants skulls on rocks. You could drone on and on about the differences between the old and New Testament, but God is the same forever and ever, is he not?
Now, don't misunderstand me. Islam is one of the most destructive ideologies ever devised. No argument there. The issue is unilaterally banning people because of their associations with any given religion. It's the danger of becoming that which you hate. Torturing people who torture is kind of antithetical to hating it in the first place.

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Faith 
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Message 95 of 237 (774630)
12-20-2015 2:23 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Hyroglyphx
12-20-2015 2:20 AM


When you can demonstrate that what's in the Bible is a motivator to atrocities in today's world as what's in the Koran and Hadiths is, you'll have a point. Until then you haven't a clue about anything. How on earth were you ever a "Christian" if you can ask such a nonsensical question?

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Message 96 of 237 (774631)
12-20-2015 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Hyroglyphx
12-20-2015 2:20 AM


Now, don't misunderstand me. Islam is one of the most destructive ideologies ever devised. No argument there. The issue is unilaterally banning people because of their associations with any given religion. It's the danger of becoming that which you hate. Torturing people who torture is kind of antithetical to hating it in the first place.
OH NONSENSE. Why can't anyone THINK any more? Who is talking about "association with the religion?" I'm talking about actually SUBACRIBING TO IT. Islam is pure evil, an invention of the devil, designed to murder.
I don't hate anything that's in the Bible. The Bible tells me to be kind to everyone, it has absolutely nothing in common with Islam's murderous decrees by Allah. The Bible shows God judging people for their sins, it does not show mindless murder as Islam does. You're supposed to learn from the Bible that sin gets punished. SIN, not disagreement. Allah is an evil murderer. The God of the Bible judges sin. He used His ancient people in some cases for that purpose. He also often used foreign nations and natural disasters such as famines to judge His own people when they sinned. The Bible gives historical reports on these things so we will learn the wages of sin. We should also learn that nations get judged today in the same way but nobody is commanded to be the agent of such judgments as historically happened in the Bible, which after all was written to reveal to us what goes on behind the scenes. NOWHERE DOES THE BIBLE TELL ME OR ANY READER TO DO HARM TO ANYONE. BUT ISLAM DOES.
The Bible tells me to be kind to everyone and especially those under God's judgment, since those are the people Jesus died for.
The punishments in the Bible are there to show us that violations of God's Law deserve terrible consequences. It's a foreshadowing of Hell. But Jesus died for us so we won't get punished. That's the whole point. But people who don't think confuse that with Islam that tells its followers to go out and murder people who aren't Muslims? THINK MAN THINK.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 97 of 237 (774632)
12-20-2015 2:35 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
12-20-2015 2:23 AM


Where do think Islam spawned from, Faith? It's all a derivative of Judeo-Christian ethics and beliefs. I'm typing on my phone and it's difficult to copy and paste passages, but go through Deuteronomy or Judges.
And how I was a Christian was because I, like you, think the ideals taught by Jesus was and is a beautiful ideal. I respect it. But his message is absolutely foreign from the horrors of the OT.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith 
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Message 98 of 237 (774633)
12-20-2015 2:40 AM
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12-20-2015 2:35 AM


Islam was an invention of Mohammed with the help of a demon that called itself Gabriel. This fake "Gabriel" dictated a lot of it (the way many demon-inspired religions have been dictated in our day too, such as Urantia, Course in Miracles, the Seth Books, even Mormonism through Joseph Smith's demon "Moroni."}
The rest of Islam came from Mohammed's own totally confused idea of bits and pieces of both Old and New Testament religion, which he mixed up together so that you get such strange confusions as the Virgin Mary in the Old Testament and other such weird mistakes.
Islam IS NOT A "DERIVATIVE" of Judeo-Christian ethics and beliefs, it's a totally made up Satanic murderous ideology. Its "ethics" couldn't be more different from the Bible.
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Sorry to get so ticked off at you but you obviously know absolutely nothing about this stuff while preaching to me about it.
No, I did not become a believer in Christ the way you did. I never rejected the OT God. I love Him. \The "atrocities" are there to teach us about the wages of sin.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 99 of 237 (774634)
12-20-2015 2:48 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
12-20-2015 2:40 AM


Faith, lol, that's pure conjecture that it comes from a demon. When you compare apples with apples, Islam is an Abrahamic faith just like Judaism and Christianity. Now, I'm not saying that it isn't a bastardization, but Jews make the argument that Christianity is a bastardization of Judaism. And on face value that is justifiable because regardless if Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law, he in fact did change it.

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Faith 
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Message 100 of 237 (774635)
12-20-2015 2:53 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Hyroglyphx
12-20-2015 2:48 AM


I give up. No it is not an "Abrahamic religion" of all the stupid claims made by the murderer Mohammed and his demon Gabriel. Yes Gabriel was a demon. Yech, I give up.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 101 of 237 (774636)
12-20-2015 2:56 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Faith
12-20-2015 2:53 AM


We're wayyyyy off topic now, but what's your evidence that it comes from a demon named Gabriel?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith 
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Message 102 of 237 (774637)
12-20-2015 3:16 AM
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12-20-2015 2:56 AM


Sorry, I have no patience with this kind of ignorant total propaganda. It gives me high blood pressure/ ulcer etc. We can save the topic of the thread if you'll just go read up on Gabriel yourself. Google
I recommend skipping the Muslim propaganda.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 103 of 237 (774638)
12-20-2015 3:21 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Faith
12-20-2015 3:16 AM


So, in other words, the same arch angel discussed within Judeo-Christendom. You're making the point for me that the progenitor of Islam is Judaism.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Faith 
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Message 104 of 237 (774642)
12-20-2015 4:17 AM
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12-20-2015 3:21 AM


Eh? Compare the Biblical Gabriel with Mohammed's Gabriel. They have nothing in common. (Gabriel is in both OT and NT by the way.) Hyro, I'm truly sorry to lose my temper at you but you are so extremely off course I feel hopeless about saying anything to correct you, especially since you obviously have no respect for anything I say anyway.
I had assumed you really were a Christian and it's a shock to find out that can't be the case given your attitude toward God in the OT. Obviously you never were.
There's a mountain of stuff you have so wrong I don't know where to begin to talk to you. Maybe if you start another thread for comparing Christianity with Islam kbertsche will come along and explain things I don't have the patience to explain. Not that you'd listen to him either but oh well.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 105 of 237 (774645)
12-20-2015 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Faith
12-20-2015 4:17 AM


I can assure you I was a Christian. Even Jesus acknowledges, via Parable of the Sower, that people fall away for various reasons. And in some of Paul's epistles he acknowledges the same. But my sincerity in the past shouldn't be in question just because I've changed my mind in the future. I was the real deal. It was genuine and sincere for me. Ironically it was the bible itself that forced me to question itself, and my deconversion was very slow.
Anyway, agree to disagree, I guess. But whatever the case, my faith (or lack thereof), isn't really relevant to the discussion at hand.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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