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Faith 
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Message 106 of 237 (774646)
12-20-2015 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Hyroglyphx
12-20-2015 4:37 AM


I'm not questioning your sincerity at all. I'm saying you didn't believe the right things to be a Christian. I'm sure you sincerely believed your wrong ideas about Christianity and sincerely believe your totally wrong ideas about the Old Testament too.
And it is relevant, because you get everything so completely wrong about the Bible that has to be explained to you too even to discuss why Islam is wrong.
HOWEVER, this is still off topic and I'm going to TRY to stay away now.
The Parable of the Sower is not necessarily talking about Christians, just about people who hear the gospel, like it but can't stick it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 107 of 237 (774666)
12-20-2015 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Faith
12-19-2015 2:59 PM


Re: Bearing False Witness
Faith writes:
You equated conservatives with the Ku Klux Klan.
No. I said that the Conservative Party and the Ku Klux Klan had the same policy with regard to my grandparents entering Canada:
quote:
Message 46 By the way, the Conservative Party and the Ku Klux Klan tried to keep my ancestors out of Canada because they didn't speak English.
I don't see much ambiguity in the context.

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Jon
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Message 108 of 237 (774690)
12-20-2015 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Hyroglyphx
12-20-2015 2:20 AM


The issue is unilaterally banning people because of their associations with any given religion.
If Islam is a religion then so is Nazism and the Klan.
Muhammad was a warlord, pedophile, rapist pig. Islam, by definition, worships this man as the greatest spiritual leader to ever live.
There is no more one needs to know about such a toxic ideology.
And there is no excuse for supposedly enlightened, freedom-loving Westerners to defend such disgusting sewage.

Love your enemies!

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DrJones*
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Message 109 of 237 (774692)
12-20-2015 9:23 PM
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12-20-2015 9:05 PM


Muhammad was a warlord, pedophile, rapist pig.
And yet he was God's prophet on Earth, whatta going to do.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 110 of 237 (774696)
12-21-2015 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Jon
12-20-2015 9:05 PM


No one here is defending Islam or Muhammed. Of course it is complete and utter garbage. What saner voices are trying to remind you is that Muslims are not necessarily de facto pieces of crap anymore than Christians are or Hindus. There is a real danger in polarizing people much in the same way that we've seen with Nazism, even if there is always some justification for the resentment.
And let me remind you that this reaction of yours is exactly what hardline militants are going for. They want to create an Us vs Them atmosphere so that they can recruit moderate Muslims to full blown, rabid murderers.... And you're falling for the bait. If you hate Islam and Muslims, then you don't just have a million extremist enemies... You now have 2 billion enemies.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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ringo
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Message 111 of 237 (774706)
12-21-2015 11:04 AM
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12-20-2015 9:05 PM


Jon writes:
There is no more one needs to know about such a toxic ideology.
What I know is that none of the Muslims I have met subscribes to your vision of Islam.

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Faith 
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Message 112 of 237 (774718)
12-21-2015 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by ringo
12-21-2015 11:04 AM


Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
What I know is that none of the Muslims I have met subscribes to your vision of Islam.
tahkeeya:
Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
The Qur'an:
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way..
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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caffeine
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Message 113 of 237 (774719)
12-21-2015 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by anglagard
12-19-2015 1:29 AM


Re: A Few Questions
A bit of an aside, but more relevant to the topic than most of the discussion!
Instead of wallowing in some discredited concept from the past, why not participate in the modern world of genetics? I have a ballpark knowledge of my Y chromosome heritage, which is R1b1b2a1c where R1=Ukraine 22k BCE, b1=immigration to Europe, b2=Western Europe, and a1c=Northern Germany and the Netherlands later making up 2% of England's population concentrated in the Southeast.
This is less genetics than it is marketing, unfortunately. Take the idea that haplogroup R1 means an origin in Ukraine, for example. That's not something anyone has the faintest idea about. R1 is distibuted all over the world; in central and northern Africa, over all of Europe, across central, southern eastern Asia, and at lesser frequencies in Oceania and the Americas (not counting those with known European and African ancestry). There are, of course an enormous number of scenarios regarding its origin that could explain this distribution.
The two most common suggestions among the professionals that I can find after 10 minutes internet search are central and southern Asia - perhaps the company that did your test decided that it would sound good if this haplogroup was brought to Europe via Ukraine by some nomads, but it's esseentially something they pulled out of their arse to make the uninformative test you paid for appear to have discovered something significant.

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ramoss
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Message 114 of 237 (774721)
12-21-2015 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
12-21-2015 1:12 PM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
Is that the kind of source that you want to rely on ?? I mean, if you look at it, the entire site is designed to encourage Islamophobia. It's like going to stormfront to learn about Judaism or the KKK to learn about blacks.

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Faith 
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Message 115 of 237 (774723)
12-21-2015 1:53 PM
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12-21-2015 1:47 PM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
I would trust a site dedicated to exposing Islam over a site dedicated to whitewashing Islam.

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Bliyaal
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Message 116 of 237 (774724)
12-21-2015 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
12-21-2015 1:12 PM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
What I know is that none of the Muslims I have met subscribes to your vision of Islam.
tahkeeya:
Taqiyya: Deception and Lying in Islam
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
The Qur'an:
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way..
http://quran.com/16/106
quote:
Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief... except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah , and for them is a great punishment;
Those "circumstances" are only that you can lie and say you renounce your faith if you're forced to do it. I don't seen anything there saying that you can lie to advance the cause of Islam... well except if, like you with your bible, you cherry pick, twist it and interpret it to make it say what you want.
http://quran.com/3/28
quote:
Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah , except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination.
Allies, not friends. You know like most countries do... The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Qur'an predicted modern politics! You should now be a believer.

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Bliyaal
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Message 117 of 237 (774725)
12-21-2015 1:59 PM
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12-21-2015 1:53 PM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
Why don't you trust the book instead? I mean, you surely don't like when atheists do the same with websites quote mining your bible.

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Faith 
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Message 118 of 237 (774726)
12-21-2015 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Bliyaal
12-21-2015 1:59 PM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
There are various ways "the book" is interpreted by Islamic legal experts. And it contradicts itself. Sometimes it sounds tolerant, but most of the time it treats all nonMuslims as infidels subject to Muslim domination, and outright murder; hence all those beheadings lately. NonMuslims in Muslim countries have been subjected to heavy taxes and humiliations like being pushed off the sidewalk to let Muslims pass. Who knows how ringo's "friends" think of him? Perhaps being in a nonMuslim country that has power over them they don't want to say anything that could get them in trouble, so that would be a reason to lie about the religion.
This site goes into quite a bit of detail about the principle of deception in many circumstances:
Islam's doctrines of deception :: Middle East Forum
The fact that Islam legitimises deceit during war cannot be all that surprising; strategist Sun Tzu (c. 722-221 BC), Italian political philosopher Machiavelli (1469-1527) and English philosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679) all justified deceit in war.
However, according to all four recognised schools of Sunni jurisprudence, war against the infidel goes on in perpetuity, until "all chaos ceases, and all religion belongs to Allah" (Quran 8:39). According to the definitive Encyclopaedia of Islam (Brill Online edition): "The duty of the jihad exists as long as the universal domination of Islam has not been attained.
Common sense should suggest extreme caution with people who believe this sort of thing.

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PaulK
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Message 119 of 237 (774727)
12-21-2015 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Faith
12-21-2015 1:12 PM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
Tell me, Faith. Did you bother to find out what circumstances, and what lie are authorised by Quran 16:106? You only have to follow the link that the site provides.

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Bliyaal
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Message 120 of 237 (774728)
12-21-2015 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Faith
12-21-2015 2:15 PM


Re: Beware of the Islamic Principle of Taquiya
There are various ways "the book" is interpreted by Islamic legal experts. And it contradicts itself. Sometimes it sounds tolerant, but most of the time it treats all nonMuslims as infidels subject to Muslim domination, and outright murder; hence all those beheadings lately. NonMuslims in Muslim countries have been subjected to heavy taxes and humiliations like being pushed off the sidewalk to let Muslims pass.
Atrocities have been made in the name of your god too you know... citing your prefered version of the bible.
Perhaps being in a nonMuslim country that has power over them they don't want to say anything that could get them in trouble, so that would be a reason to lie about the religion.
Did you read my previous reply to you, I shown it to be false except if you twist it. But it seems like radica christians, like you, or muslims, can't help it.
Edited by Bliyaal, : No reason given.

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