Message of the Bible

Bzzt! Argument from authority. What makes you think they know any more about God than you or I?Just because somebody important believes something doesn't make it true. You've provided evidence that people believe in something not that there's something to believe in.

Not to mention that this isn't even evidence of their belief....just of their willingness to make others think they believe.

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Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

It's of no consequence who knows more or less.It qualifies as evidence whether it has been established as fact or not.Evidence;

1 Your basis for belief or disbelief; knowledge on which to base belief

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2 An indication that makes something evident

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3(law) all the means by which any alleged matter of fact whose truth is investigated at judicial trial is established or disproved

So you're basically saying they are liars by giving false evidence.
Interesting, care to elaborate why they would want to do that or how your evidence in your statement is truthfull?

No, she's saying that there's no way for you to tell the difference. They may be liars. They may not be. How can you tell?

ahh I'm not saying anything of the sort...I am saying that it isn't evidence of anything as it could lead to numerous reasonings.Again, how is this evidence of god?

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Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

Like I said, it's not evidence of God, it's evidence that there exist people who believe in God. Why is that significant? We already knew that some people believe in God. You haven't shown any evidence that they're right in doing so.[This message has been edited by crashfrog, 01-10-2004]

Absolutely incorrect. Testimony qualifies as evidence.

John 5:37

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And the Father who has sent me himself has borne witness concerning me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor have seen his shape, 38 and ye have not his word abiding in you; for whom *he* hath sent, him ye do not believe . Could be more to it than that.
Mat 5:8

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Blessed the pure in heart , for *they* shall see God.

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To the contrary. Testimony is dismissied if uncorraborated by physical evidence. Where's the physical evidence of God to corraborate the personal testimony?And what about my testimony? I say there is no God. Could be they're just liars. How do you know?

I have to disagree, Crash. I would say it is evidence. Is it very convincing evidence? Possibly not. Are there any number of ways of showing it is poor? Probably. But it is evidence as given in the definitions earlier.

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Common sense isn't

I can see that in Law courts. However most of world's daily occurences of evidences happen outside courts of law. Did you read the first definition of evidence I gave earlier? It's my understanding God is more on the spiritual side of things.
Did you read the verse about Jesus, he is quoted to of been sent by God in the flesh to testify about God.
John 8:16

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And if also I judge, my judgment is true, because I am not alone, but I and the Father who has sent me. 17 And in your law too it is written that the testimony of two men is true: 18 I am [one] who bear witness concerning myself, and the Father who has sent me bears witness concerning me. Seems we have a conflict of evidence. Proof is somewhat scarce, I've yet to come across a person who believes in Jesus who professes there is no God.Statistically, in this criteria the evidence favours there is a God.
1 John 4:2

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Hereby ye know the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses Jesus Christ come in flesh is of God;

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and every spirit which does not confess Jesus Christ come in flesh is not of God: and this is that [power] of the antichrist , [of] which ye have heard that it comes, and now it is already in the world. Kind of hard to discern any physical evidence without having a spirit
of some type.[This message has been edited by P e t e r, 01-10-2004]

I haven't claimed it's not evidence. Simply that it's not evidence for what you think it is. As yet you have no rebuttal to this point. When are you going to stop pretending that evidence that people believe in God has anything to do with evidence for God?I can present evidence that people believe in Santa Claus. That doesn't make Santa Claus exist. Statistically most people don't believe in your God, so by your standards of evidence, your God does not exist.See how stupid this is?

Well, so far, in several different threads you've accepted:Arguments from authority
Absence of evidence
Personal Testimonyas evidence. Ned, is there anything you won't accept as evidence?

You're getting confusing. I take testimonies as evidence, I'd say you're the one who doesn't think testimony for God is evidence for God. I'd say I've given more than one, and you can add the one above to the rest of them. I'm not pretending. You shouldn't be making inacurate statements of my position in these matters. But it does present evidence that Santa exists. Could you provide a link for your statistics.Nowhere have I mentioned that the number of evidences or not determines existance of God. Once again you are making an inacurate statement about my position.As of late, it doesn't look to me being truthful is one of your strong points.
Proverbs 12:17

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He that uttereth truth sheweth forth righteousness; but a false witness deceit. In a certain way.

Religions of the world: numbers of adherents; growth rates
Homepage - adherents
Mission Frontiers | Page Not Found These will give you evidence of people's beliefs, though not evidence of whether or not their beliefs are true

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Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato