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Author Topic:   With a dying white race, why are we not encouraging more white births?
caffeine
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Message 7 of 237 (773977)
12-11-2015 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
12-10-2015 8:52 PM


Most of your post can be dismissed with the simple comment that I don't care whether 'the white race' is increasing or decreasing in numbers, because it's not 1903.
But there is some confusion of category I want to quickly point out. 'Muslim' is not a race. It's a religion, and Muslims come in all sorts of colours, including white (or pink, really, but you know what I mean).

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Message 54 of 237 (774520)
12-18-2015 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Tanypteryx
12-18-2015 11:56 AM


So how do you determine what their beliefs are? Do you really think a government overthrower is going to declare their intentions when they come here?
Ask! When I go to US I have to fill out a form (online nowadays) which includes questions asking if I intend to engage in terrorist activities or try to overthrow the government of the United States. I'm sure they catch loads of people that way.

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Message 113 of 237 (774719)
12-21-2015 1:13 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by anglagard
12-19-2015 1:29 AM


Re: A Few Questions
A bit of an aside, but more relevant to the topic than most of the discussion!
Instead of wallowing in some discredited concept from the past, why not participate in the modern world of genetics? I have a ballpark knowledge of my Y chromosome heritage, which is R1b1b2a1c where R1=Ukraine 22k BCE, b1=immigration to Europe, b2=Western Europe, and a1c=Northern Germany and the Netherlands later making up 2% of England's population concentrated in the Southeast.
This is less genetics than it is marketing, unfortunately. Take the idea that haplogroup R1 means an origin in Ukraine, for example. That's not something anyone has the faintest idea about. R1 is distibuted all over the world; in central and northern Africa, over all of Europe, across central, southern eastern Asia, and at lesser frequencies in Oceania and the Americas (not counting those with known European and African ancestry). There are, of course an enormous number of scenarios regarding its origin that could explain this distribution.
The two most common suggestions among the professionals that I can find after 10 minutes internet search are central and southern Asia - perhaps the company that did your test decided that it would sound good if this haplogroup was brought to Europe via Ukraine by some nomads, but it's esseentially something they pulled out of their arse to make the uninformative test you paid for appear to have discovered something significant.

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Message 229 of 237 (775131)
12-28-2015 4:35 PM
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12-26-2015 10:20 PM


Re: A Few Answers
Not quite as all over the world as it seems you make it out to be.
Well, that seems to be a graphic representation of the global distribution I described in words, so I'm unsure what your point is.
If your cousin was using his genetics test to resolve a question of recent family history, then fair play. For this purpose such tests can be useful.
My criticism was aimed more at what I'm guessing was the material supplied by the genetics testing company to describe your distant genealogy. There is absolutely no way to determine where your ancestor 30,000 years ago lived, and the Ukraine, as I said, seems to be pulled out of nowhere, since the most popular hypotheses for the origins of Y-chromosone haplogroup R1 among geneticists seem to be the Middle East and South Asia. These, too, are of course highly speculative hypotheses, since there are a multitude of ways to explain this distribution.
More importantly, a y-chromosone test can only tell you about one ancestral line. When you're talking time periods like 30,000 years, your ancestry consists of billions upon billions of ancestral lines. The chance that any specific end point contributed any DNA to you (with, in this case, the obvious exception of the Y-chromosone) is infinitesimally small.
I didn't mean to have a go at you, so sorry if it sounded like that, but I find the marketing of genetics testing companies very frustrating.

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