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Bob Bobber Member (Idle past 3253 days) Posts: 187 Joined: |
Some have called God’s justification, cheap justification; if it is that easy, if a person can obtain righteousness without doing something, or even trying to do something in order to gain it, that would be too easy, and that would make it cheap.
That is difficult for people imbued with the pride of life to imagine; it is difficult to accept, because it does not seem fair to the human mind, especially to the religiously minded. It does not seem quite right that God could consider someone righteous, especially if that person is not expending the same amount of effort or attention that they are to become righteous by way of their practice. The fact is Christ became the redeemer of the entire world, when he satisfied the justice of God for the sins of the entire world. The sin issue was resolved for everyone, but understand, that having a redeemer and accepting the redeemer that we have, and what that redeemer accomplished, are two different things. God’s justification is absolutely free, but it was certainly not cheap, it came at tremendous cost. Apart from God’s grace, the justification Paul’s been telling us about would be totally impossible, but then, apart from the price the son of God paid to make it possible, God’s grace could not offer it.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9627 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Bob B writes: God’s justification is absolutely free, but it was certainly not cheap, it came at tremendous cost. Apart from God’s grace, the justification Paul’s been telling us about would be totally impossible, but then, apart from the price the son of God paid to make it possible, God’s grace could not offer it. EvC Forum: Login
God’s justification is absolutely free, but it was certainly not cheap, it came at tremendous cost. Apart from God’s grace, the justification Paul’s been telling us about would be totally impossible, but then, apart from the price the son of God paid to make it possible, God’s grace could not offer it. A Ransom For All, page 1
God’s justification is absolutely free, but it was certainly not cheap, it came at tremendous cost. Apart from God’s grace, the justification Paul’s been telling us about would be totally impossible, but then, apart from the price the son of God paid to make it possible, God’s grace could not offer it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2JDt-2_9JNY Etc etc etcJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Bob Bobber Member (Idle past 3253 days) Posts: 187 Joined: |
But would you go and study Curt Crist? Curt knows Bob Bobber uses his reasonings. Those hearing this message of Paul, might believe this good news and become the instantaneous recipients of a new identity by being placed into Jesus Christ, the one who reconciled them to God?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9627 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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Bob B writes: But would you go and study Curt Crist? Curt knows Bob Bobber uses his reasonings. Those hearing this message of Paul, might believe this good news and become the instantaneous recipients of a new identity by being placed into Jesus Christ, the one who reconciled them to God? Are you only here to proselytise and use other people's material? If so please stop. We're not interested in it. If you want to stay here, start using your own, original words. Don't copy and paste and don't think we won't notice. I assume this is impossible for you because you have to do what your organisation tells you. If so, don't waste your time, go knock on someone else's door. If you are able to talk freely, then welcome, we'd like to hear your own thoughts.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Bob Bobber Member (Idle past 3253 days) Posts: 187 Joined: |
So what is everyones point of view on this reconciliation, sin not an issue anymore?
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Phat Member Posts: 18706 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
So what is everyone's point of view on this reconciliation, sin not an issue anymore? Sin is always an issue. Its just not leading to eternal condemnation as it originally would have done.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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Bob Bobber Member (Idle past 3253 days) Posts: 187 Joined: |
True, their is no condemnation because of our sanctified identity in the last Adam; God is the sanctifier. But reconciliation is a different truth then justification, because sin is not an issue with the human race?
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ringo Member (Idle past 729 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Bob Bobber writes:
Who was it that put us up for sale in the first place?
God purchased the human race out of sins dominion, never to be returned to the market place of sin again. Bob Bobber writes:
Well, Jesus said it:
To say your works have anything at all to do with God’s gift declaration of righteousness is to slap the giver in the face.quote: The ones who inherit the kingdom are clearly those who do good works. If Jesus' death was more important than His words, why did He say anything at all? Why didn't he just come to earth and die?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9627 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
ringo writes: Bob Bobber writes:God purchased the human race out of sins dominion, never to be returned to the market place of sin again. Who was it that put us up for sale in the first place? Anything as flowery as that, is a copy and paste job from a million JW sermons and blogs This search found dozens God purchased the human race out of sins dominion, never to be returned to the market place of sin again. - Google SearchJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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AdminPhat Inactive Member |
I tried to give you a chance, Robert Stone. If you want another one, please take your request here.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
Several decades ago a guest on Larry King's late night talk show asked him an interesting question. Larry is a great host, asks great questions, then lets the guests talk without much interruption, saying whatever they want to say about the issues Larry asks the guests about. This night the guest turned the tables on Larry and asked him the right question about who God is. The guest knew that Larry had invited many Christians to come on his program, and was very familiar with Christian beliefs of the Bible. The guest also knew Larry, who was not Jewish, had converted to Judaism at some point in his past. Here is the question the guest asked Larry:
Is Christianity the one and only true religion? Larry responded, If the resurrection (of Jesus) is true, all bets are off. WOW! Not only was the right question asked, the right answer was given! Every religion in the world other than Christianity that does not believe and practice that Christianity is the one and only true revelation of the ONE true GOD must discount many truths about Christianity, but these two specific truths about Christianity MUST be discounted and rejected in order for their religion about who they believe God is to gain a foothold in people's minds: (1) They must discount the truth that Jesus Christ was God before His incarnation, and was made flesh during His time on earth.(2) They must discount that the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ was true. Once they have discounted these primary truths concerning Christianity, 95% of their time is then spent arguing about what the rest of Bible Scripture says and means, not realizing that you can't understand what the rest of the Bible says and means AFTER you have rejected these two primary truths about Christianity. It's as simple and as difficult as that! Edited by John 10:10, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
They must discount the truth that Jesus Christ was God before His incarnation, and was made flesh during His time on earth I take this to mean that only people who embrace Trinity Doctrine can be Christian. I find this particular part of your definition problematic primarily because the Bible is full of supporting and contradictory statements about the topic. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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jar Member (Idle past 157 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As if there even was something like "Christianity". Since there is no universal version of Christianity then the question itself was simply silly.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallinAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9627 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
John writes: WOW! Not only was the right question asked, the right answer was given! Yeh, wow. If someone unequivocally dies and then unequivocally comes back to life in modern circumstances with good supporting evidence, we've got a few things to consider. 2,000 year old hearsay reports of an absurdity is an utter irrelevance.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3313 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
You write, "I take this to mean that only people who embrace Trinity Doctrine can be Christian."
Yes, this is the essence of the Gospel of Christ, that God was in Christ reconciling the sins of the world to Himself thru the incarnation, death on a cross for our sins, and the resurrection to now sit at the right hand of God the Father. Reject this and you cannot be "born again" or a Christian.
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