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NoNukes Inactive Member
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I was watching BBC news yesterday and they were interviewing a couple of gun shop owners out of Tennessee. Interestingly, they were actually very much in favor of Obama's assertions because they indicated it would likely increase business for them and reduce the likelihood of guns being transferred between parties through the back channels. I was listening to NPR last night and an Alabama Congressman claimed that no gun shop owner had ever expressed such an opinion to him. He also claimed that some of the reasonable proposals regarding improving mental health never get off the ground because democrats won't cooperate with republicans. These guys set the agenda in both houses and don't need a single democrat in the House to go along with anything. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I blame the suicides and mass shootings (as well as the post 1980/1990s obesity epidemic among the poor) on prescription psychotropic drugs and many other factors. I just started a thread on SSRIs and their effect but that is just the tip of the iceberg. My biggest objection to "gun control" is that it includes the issue of forcing children on psychotropic drugs. You are by far the most interesting new poster here. I hope you stay. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
The NRA crowd hates Richard Feldman.
Lets hear what he has to say. This is a USA today counter opinion to the typical salivatory commentary on anything gun-control. Gun ‘actions’ prove superficial: Opposing view
quote: Feldman worked with Clinton in the 1990s (they had a rose garden signing ceremony in 97, I think) EDIT he wasn't in the rose garden it seems. Here is info on Feldman, so people can judge if he is "objective" on the issue.'Ricochet' Goes Behind Scenes of Gun Lobby : NPR quote: Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
I consider most individuals here more informed than me btw.
I express opinions to raise issues, not because I think I know more than anybody.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
quote: It seems like your premise that 10,000 to 14,000 lives would/could be saved, if guns were 100% gone in the USA, might be correct. I don't know for sure. But, again, a complete (or anywhere near) gun ban is not on the agenda of anybody so far as I know. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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I know that isnt on the political agenda but that was the question you specifically put forward. If you had asked a different question I would have given a different answer.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
If you had asked a different question I would have given a different answer. The frustrated cry of every reasonable person ever on these forums.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined:
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Well, I must admit that I appreciate the great service I get here.
"Ask and you shall receive" is a pretty good deal.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Not only is it likely, it's happening right now. Gun sales have spiked dramatically because there is a fear that Obama will use recent tragedies to change laws. Really this demonstrates what I've long said, which is that if curbing gun violence is the end game, then this is the worst way to go about it, since it will increase bloodshed. It will drive a wedge between government officials and an already paranoid public. I think as Obama transitions out of office, he will push for his most bold legislation to date to cement his legacy.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2578 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
Awfully silent here about Obama's Executive Order
- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Yeh, really radical stuff. Someone will have to shoot him now.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Hyroglyphx writes: Really this demonstrates what I've long said, which is that if curbing gun violence is the end game, then this is the worst way to go about it,... Which way is the worst way? Improved background checks? Record keeping? Mental health? Gun safety technology? Some of them? All of them? --Percy
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3
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Percy writes: Which way is the worst way? Improved background checks? Record keeping? Mental health? Gun safety technology? Some of them? All of them? Any way that contradicts the notion that among all our rights, gun ownership is uniquely absolute, is unacceptable, especiallly if Obama does it. The explicit link to shootings is particularly distasteful to them: the gun camp has already made it clear that great steaming piles of kids' bodies are irrelevant to a well-regulated militia. Speaker Paul Ryan supported closing background check loopholes--until Obama did some of just that with executive power. Of note, his actions accord with the GOP mantra: just enforce existing laws. Congress is just too busy working to take health care away from tens of millions of people...well, too busy making symbolic gestures with DOA legislation, anyway. We have recent legislation in New York, the SAFE Act, that still has folks in an uproar. The only material change for gun owners requires the registration of assault-style weapons and a limitation on magazine size. They can still buy any gun they could buy before, but they're still riled about those magazines. How you gonna light up a first grade classroom with only a 10-round clip? And you definitely can't repel the First Infantry Division without a big clip. As I've said before, the gun absolutists will create the social and political momentum that leads to the death of the 2nd Amendment. Then they'll blame everyone else. Nicholas Kristof summarized the effectiveness of reasonable gun regulation in a recent NYT column:
quote: The effectiveness of reasonable gun regulation has been proven; the bloodletting that follows their loosening has been proven. The Constitutionality of reasonable regulation has been established. One side of the debate finds the facts (and the body counts) irrelevant; the other, growing side, looks at the facts and body counts and says enough is enough. When gun absolutists lose more than they ever thought possible, they'll have only themselves to blame."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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What are the troublesome proposals? Well, is it really necessary to become a federally licensed gun dealer for the occasional sale of a couple of guns? I’ve sold guns to friends, my police chief and a couple of relatives during the past 10 years. Questions like this are disingenuous. There is a world of difference between the guy who has sold a few guns in the past decade and a guy who buys and sells guns on a regular basis to make a profit, and no indication that Obama's proposal addresses anything but the latter. What is clear is that the current enforcement of the law lets a lot of gun traffickers avoid the law. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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