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Author Topic:   More on Diet and Carbohydrates
NoNukes
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Message 77 of 243 (751482)
03-03-2015 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Coyote
03-03-2015 11:56 AM


Re: Recommendations of the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee
McDonalds and others didn't just add salads to their menus on a whim!

That's true. But since nobody, including Percy, seems to be saying that eating salads made people fat, then that particular example does not seem germane. Tell us instead about the low fat, high carb items Mickey D's added to their menu at the request of customers.

The menu at McDonalds, generally speaking, is high fat, and high carbs. It is no surprise that eating that food makes people fat. However the menu does not follow anyone's health recommendations.


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NoNukes
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Message 78 of 243 (751489)
03-03-2015 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Percy
03-03-2015 8:39 AM


Re: Recommendations of the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee
Milk that had been available only in whole and skim versions became available in 2% and 1% versions.

I don't think these things became available at relevant date. However, isn't skim milk essentially 0% milk?

You're being binary in your judgment. You're demanding a yes/no answer to an issue that has a large range. On a 0 to 100 scale I would give America a 70 for following the government guidelines and nutritional advice.

Demonstrate this rather than assert this, and perhaps you have an argument. I suspect that the typical diet for most people is well above the recommended caloric intake. I would give everyone whose diet met this criteria a failing score in following advice.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 80 of 243 (751495)
03-03-2015 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Percy
03-03-2015 1:21 PM


Re: Recommendations of the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee
t might not seem germane to those who have lost the context, but what Jon said that Coyote responded to was, "The fast food industry didn't change their menu to better conform to USDA guidelines."

Again, adding salads does not make a difference with respect to guidelines regarding low fats and high carbohydrates. Perhaps you'll note that I asked for such examples.

I don't know who Mickey D is

It's a nick name for McDonald's.

Just to be clear, there seems to me to be a timing problem with associating the menu changes at McDonald's with people getting fat while following gubmint advice. People were already blaming McDonald's for being unhealthy and kids were already fat at that time.

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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 90 of 243 (751566)
03-03-2015 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Percy
03-03-2015 1:51 PM


Re: Recommendations of the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee
n other words, you evidently thought we were claiming that McDonald's had added low-fat/high-carb items to their menu in response to customer requests, and so you asked for examples.

Right. I was given an example of McDonald's changing their menu based on an irrelevant public demand for lettuce, and I asked for a relevant example instead. Seriously, regardless of whether you want low fat or low carbs, substituting carrot sticks for an apple pie and a salad for a big Mac are great ideas.

The issue as I understand it, is you believe people followed the government's advice on high/low fat vs carbs and became sick/obese as a result. You assert without evidence that people actually followed that advice and then Coyote brings up salads at McDonald's. Well that example is irrelevant. And now in your latest post you admit that McDonald's action lagged way behind the real trend anyway.

I don't see any evidence that people with proper caloric intakes got fat or sick by following government advice on low fat diets. What's worse, you don't seem to think it is important to show that people actually followed the advice anyway.


Je Suis Charlie

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 116 of 243 (751968)
03-07-2015 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Faith
03-06-2015 11:23 PM


Re: kind of a rambling overview
Well, the anecdote is about a real named person, but although I think it interesting that she did try to follow the guidelines and kept gaining weight

The problem with the anecdote is that every diet I've ever heard of has the same poor success rates at achieving significant long term results. Telling us a story about a single person who failed, particularly a story where the details are lacking, is not going to be very convincing.


Je Suis Charlie

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 121 of 243 (751981)
03-07-2015 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Percy
03-07-2015 12:04 PM


Re: Anatomy of a Low-Carb Diet
My own personal ad hoc rule: if it tastes good, it's fattening.

This is an unfortunate truism. If you are having any difficulty at all with weight control, your taste buds clearly cannot be trusted.


Je Suis Charlie

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 223 of 243 (776018)
01-07-2016 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Percy
01-07-2016 9:04 AM


Re: 2015 Dietary Guidelines Released
, and more recent evidence shows that the body fights very hard to maintain what it believes are correct sodium levels and that reducing intake below a certain point can actually be harmful.

Can you point to some recent research that suggests that sodium intake levels below the 2300 mg level that are recommended is harmful? I don't doubt that there are problems with too low an intake.


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History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King

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