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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Which way is the worst way? Improved background checks? Record keeping? Mental health? Gun safety technology? Some of them? All of them? The ones that use a blanket approach to try to solve granular problems. (sorry for the drive-by's, I get time to read up on threads on my phone, but will only post from a computer with a keyboard. I just don't have the time at the board lately to spend it here, which I don't like.)
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
Yeah, but before he was in the closet.
"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The ones that use a blanket approach to try to solve granular problems. Ah, so like passing laws instead of talking to each individual angry drunk guy one-on-one and explaining to him why he shouldn't murder his children. Well, I guess you can do that and Them Liberals Who Hate America will do the other thing.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Not only is it likely, it's happening right now. Gun sales have spiked dramatically because there is a fear that Obama will use recent tragedies to change laws. Fortunately the stupid paranoid twats who are rushing out to buy more guns are precisely the stupid paranoid twats who already have lots of guns. And although admittedly they are a danger to themselves and everyone around them, this doesn't actually increase if they have more guns, 'cos of them only having two hands each.
It will drive a wedge between government officials and an already paranoid public. 87% of Americans want universal background checks. But if you ask gun owners, that figure falls to a mere 84%. It's not the "public" that's paranoid, it's mentally ill people.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
But the January 7 USA TODAY has an article titled "Obama shows restraint on guns" with subtitle "There were no executive orders" by Gregory Korte.
quote: I do indeed object btw. And I have been following the details (a poster above seemed to indicate that critics were ignoring the specific Obama actions) as my posts should indicate. Other issues covered here included claims of murder rates dropping with more gun control (mostly claims that cherry picked state anti-gun legislation and positive drops in crime after) My response? The federal Assault Weapons ban was lifted in early 2004. The murder rate was about 16,500 during the last full year of the ban (2003). The murder rate fell down to about 14,000 for 2014. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given. Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
California man ranting about Obama’s gun action opens fire on apartments before cops shoot him dead
Witnesses said the gunman was ranting incoherently about gun control measures proposed by Obama, who announced executive actions earlier that same day intended to keep firearms from being sold to criminals and the mentally ill. We heard the five shots everyone was screaming, said David Rice, who lives near the apartment complex. He came out screaming ‘Obama! Obama! Obama!’ Well, he makes a good point.
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
I need to start a thread on that one.
I think I can shed light on that issue.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I need to start a thread on that one. No you don't. You have already started quite enough threads.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Which way is the worst way? Improved background checks? Record keeping? Mental health? Gun safety technology? Some of them? All of them? None of them, actually! We didn't know what was going to be rolling out of the door given his 2013 proposal which I did take issue with (at least on some issues). Now that the proposal has been unveiled, I don't take issue with any of the measures. This is common sense gun control that doesn't appear to infringe on current rights. As long as there isn't some underhanded fine print and as long as there isn't something more embedded in some other bill, I take no issue with the proposals. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined:
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I think I can work it into my SSRI thread (it is military research that is related to SSRIs but uses frequencies instead). It's various paragraphs from a book (written by a Ph D), and I have it on a zip drive. It really is interesting. Full of references from mainstream respected sources and journals.
Considering the gun obsession here, I thought I would tie it into the gun issue. That would have been a bad idea. It would have been hard to connect and people might have misunderstood me.
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Dr Adequate writes: Fortunately the stupid paranoid twats who are rushing out to buy more guns are precisely the stupid paranoid twats who already have lots of guns. I hope you're right. My fear is that too many are first time gun buyers who lack familiarity, training, and the means to store them safely. That women are buying more guns is consistent with that fear, and though I wasn't able to find statistics, news articles (like this one) imply increases in purchases by first time buyers. One positive statistic is that the percentage of households with guns is declining. --Percy
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
quote: I was talking about the gun legislation connections to tyrannical mental control laws (including discrimination) that you and the NRA support.http://www.dallasnews.com/...s-gun-background-check-bill.ece Google But on your interpretation of what I said, here is an interesting YouTube video of Michael Moore.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpinCRaAQOk The comments are interesting.
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
LamarkNewAge writes: My biggest objection to "gun control" is that it includes the issue of forcing children on psychotropic drugs.... I was talking about the gun legislation connections to tyrannical mental control laws (including discrimination) that you and the NRA support. Your point isn't clear and sounds like crazy talk, but if it's related to gun control and it's not crazy talk then instead of relying so much on links could you make more of your point in your own words? As near as I can tell, you seem to believe that psychotropic drugs are being forced on children, and you seem to be trying to connect that to efforts at making information about mental conditions available for background checks. But you never actually say this or offer evidence - all you offer is YouTube speculation from a non-professional. There is an on-topic point buried in there. One problem with making information about mental conditions available for background checks is that people might be dissuaded from seeking psychological help if they think it means they'll lose or become limited in their access to guns. --Percy
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LamarkNewAge Member (Idle past 738 days) Posts: 2236 Joined: |
My point is poor people are hurt badly, when seeking jobs, via state-sponsored discrimination. Disqualification from FAA, CDL trucking, security, military, firefighting, police, etc.
The NRA fully supports EVEYTHING Obama just did. Don't let their endless "2nd amendment talk fool you". They don't disagree with a thing Obama just did. The NRA had an awful transformation decades ago (around the early 90s). They support all kinds of background checks and databases (used for discrimination). They were promoting legislation (just a few months ago) to ban people for life from owning guns. Here are some links to back me up.
quote: I only quoted part of a really long article, but the article had like a dozen or so hyper links (including parts I quoted here). Here is one of the sites a hyper-link lead to.
quote: The NRA won't debate Obama because it might come out that they agree with everything he just did. They have been pushing it for decades. The NRA blamed the ACLU for decades for stopping what Obama is just doing. Obama hasn't gone far enough for the NRAs wishes and desires, but he just had the voluminous Social Security Disability send mental records to a central database. And it is only being used for discrimination. Ironic that Social Security cards and birth certificates ( which are nearly impossible or at least very difficult for poor people to possess) are never made universally available via the wonders of technology.
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