Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

Strong believer in the Constitution I see.Amazing how so many people express the idea that they do not think the ballot box is a legitimate way to express their political will. It is amazing that violence has so many advocates.

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Presidential polling is pure bullshit.
And if my choices are Clinton or Trump, I choose armed revolution.

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I do think polls miss younger and poorer voters.Hillary verses Trump does seem like a scary set of alternatives.Hillary supported (verbally & diplomatically) a 2009 right-wing coup in Honduras against a democratically elected progressive. She had an unprecedented split with her President (Obama, of course) on this one, as he supported returning the democratically elected left-winger back to power. Sounds like a throwback to the Cold War when we overthrew democratically elected leader after democratically elected leader.Hillary has been in Washington for 24 years now, under 3 different 8 year administrations, and you know how many wars she opposed? From 1993-2001? Answer is 0. From 2001-2009? The answer is 0. 2009-2017? She wanted to do a lot more than an already war-active Obama (think Libya) would entertain. She opposed 0.She sounded downright crazy in her 2008 primary against Obama, criticizing him endlessly for even wanting to talk to Iran's leader ( "you want to sit down and have tea with a country we should be going to war with" or something). I remember watching her sit before the House Armed Services Committee in 2009 and crazy Mike Pence (now Governor of Indiana) was attacking Obama for being "weak on Iran". Hillary responded something like, "I made those same arguments with a passion for nearly a year, but he won and I lost". Thank God!Trump sounds more diplomatic at times than Hillary but other times he doesn't inspire confidence in his temperament.I have known lots of undocumented immigrants (including store owners) and I really hope he is joking about rounding them up. Your "armed" revolution part might be hyperbole, but he sure does promise to turn arms on 10 million plus residents (out of 320 million).

I was in my GP doctor's waiting room a few month's ago when some people next to me welcomed the pastor coming out of the examination rooms. After a few minutes discussing the latest talking points on Fox News concerning President Obama, a female parishioner stated "why doesn't somebody kill that man?"The pastor said nothing.This is what masquerades under the words patriot and Christian in too much of West Texas.Welcome to my world.

I was at my first visit to a diner in an Adirondack town a few months ago. I collect diners.Obama was on the flat screen explaining some new initiative for kids. The man to my right asked, "Where's George Zimmerman when you need him?""Out picking fights with unarmed teenagers," I replied. We had a tense conversation that never came to blows because it wasn't a bar. I haven't been back. Fortunately, the grill man was only fair.The same folks who feel free to express the most vicious racism "at home" will assure a larger public they don't have a racist bone in their body. So they must be jellyfish. Maybe worms.

Interesting. This is something to keep in mind when we are discussing gun control with you.

When the last American shoots the second-last one, we Canadians are going to march in and take over. We will, of course, be unarmed.

realclearpolitics.comClinton averages slightly better against Bush
realclearpolitics.comClinton against Cruz (Cruz leads by 1.8%)
realclearpolitics.comClinton v Rubio (Rubio +3.0%)
EvC Forum: LoginClinton is looking worse and worse. On balance, I would say this is the worst set of averages for her. Only a 2% average lead over Trump?!

I was kidding about the armed revolution, but I was serious about polling. And please note that I was referring to popularity polls, not balloting. Polling is manipulative. Imagine how different voting would be without it creating self-fulfilling prophecies. Polling clearly influences people like some crazy herd instinct. What other people think about a candidate is irrelevant to what you think about them and their proposals. There's no way Trump would be where he is had no polls been conducted. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

Yeah, it's like choosing between Syphilis and Gonorrhea. She's incredibly hawkish. She only bloviated about Iraq to get in step with her party, but she voted in favor of it. She tried to use double-speak to get out from under it, but no one is buying it.

Our southern successors will not be.

They will, however, be fighting among themselves ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HtDNPIIOsM
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Worker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | CloudflareDoes anyone else find this is getting like a Gilbert and Sullivan opera\comedy?Enjoy

I don't think there is anything comedic about this bunch of armed un-American clowns trying to steal public land that belongs to every American citizen. I Stand with Linda Sue Beck: The Attack on Science at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

We get along well with the Mexicans.

Oh I agree that they should be rounded up, prosecuted and jailed.BUT their antics are comically inept (maybe 3 stooges is a better comparison), with competing groups to see who can be the bigger bozos.One of the problems facing law enforcement issues is that the "LEO's" are either sympathizers or members of these organizations, even at state and federal levels. The original Bundy "faceoff" was similarly let to wane without any arrests or prosecutions, and this just emboldens the nutcases.So they strut their hour upon the stage, while normal life proceeds.And the best way I deal with this nonsense is to treat it as comedy.Enjoy

Dumb and Dumber, but with a sinister, nasty twist. It is like they are parodies of every evil industrialist, land baron, mine owner as portrayed by the villain in a hundred Hollywood potboilers. They don't respect or love the land......they are intentionally trying to despoil it.These people are armed and are intentionally trying to provoke a shoot-out. The Bundy that to be running the show explicitly said at the beginning that he came there to be shot if he isn't allowed to steal this public land. That sounds like a Jihadi to me.Their father should be in prison also. They were not just grazing illegally, they overgrazed and degraded PUBLIC LAND. They don't deserve to be Americans, but we're stuck with them. They are an embarrassment to the human race.They rant about the federal government while getting SBA loans and federal subsidies.To Faux Noise and right-wing radio, they are the standard bearers of the American dream, but the dream is a nightmare. Going to Extremes: The anti-government extremism behind the growing movement to seize America’s public lands