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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Blue jay writes:
I'm not talking about us personally. I'm talking about the scientific community.
I don't know about you, but personally, I think I'm better at identifying fake photographs than I am at identifying fake fossils;
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3
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jar writes: Ah, yes. If the evidence for giants really did get out it would certainly derail the plans to ... to ... to... Downsize."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Big_aL35 writes:
This is a science forum, so that is in fact exactly what you have to do if you want to be taken seriously - present your evidence. Otherwise, you might as well be Dr. Seuss.
This says to me that you need to do some background reading first. I can't and more importantly won't do this for you.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Don't insult Dr Seuss.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Imagine the globalists have plans A, B, C, D, E and F. Now imagine that plan F was to supress all knowledge of giants. It's hard to understand why they would want to do that isn't it? But if you have an inkling of what other globalist plans there are on the table it might be easier to believe that they want to proceed with plan F too. I know you are now going to ask me 'what are their other plans'? Well if you were to ask me that question it suggests to me that you have no idea of ANY globalist plans. Heck, some have even asked me what the hell a globalist is. This says to me that you need to do some background reading first. I can't and more importantly won't do this for you. Some here would like it if I spoon fed them all the data but sadly that's not going to happen. Others might already have the information and some won't lift so much as a finger to find out. That's up to them. So the ball is pretty much in your court. If you don't know what a globalist is - YOU need to find out. If you don't know ANY of their plans - YOU need to find out. And if you don't want to find out - I couldn't give a monkeys. But I do remember Big Al being so much smarter than this. He used to be pretty much the most reasonable creationist we had. And he never mentioned the evil globalists. So, I'm gonna call it. Big Al, you're just trolling us now, aren't you? You're having fun, right?
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3
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Big_Al35 writes: This says to me that you need to do some background reading first. I can't and more importantly won't do this for you. Some here would like it if I spoon fed them all the data but sadly that's not going to happen. Others might already have the information and some won't lift so much as a finger to find out. That's up to them. So the ball is pretty much in your court. If you don't know what a globalist is - YOU need to find out. If you don't know ANY of their plans - YOU need to find out. And if you don't want to find out - I couldn't give a monkeys. So if you make claims without evidence in the future, no one should bother asking for evidence, and the less we ask, the less you'll say? Cool. Personally, I'd suspend your big fat al for refusing to honor your agreement to abide by the rules of the forum, but that's just me."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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An interesting new intermediate form is described here.
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aristotle Junior Member (Idle past 2476 days) Posts: 16 Joined: |
So you show some pictures of some fossils and you think that proves anything?
The fossil record should, if evolution is correct, show us each transitional species that lead on to the next. Where are they? There are several different forms, but nothing in between. The fossil record does not support evolution, please show me all the thousands, if not millions, of transitional species that go in between those few fossils you showed. Maybe then you'll actually have a leg to stand on. As it is, the fossil record discovered since Darwin shows stasis and saltation. He told us to relinquish his theory if no transitional species were found, why don't you take his advice? Regards, aristotle"I have learned from my own embarrassing experience how easy it is to concoct remarkably persuasive Darwinian explanations that evaporate on closer inspection." - Daniel Dennet
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So you show some pictures of some fossils and you think that proves anything? The fossil record should, if evolution is correct, show us each transitional species that lead on to the next. Where are they? There are several different forms, but nothing in between. The fossil record does not support evolution, please show me all the thousands, if not millions, of transitional species that go in between those few fossils you showed. Maybe then you'll actually have a leg to stand on. As it is, the fossil record discovered since Darwin shows stasis and saltation. He told us to relinquish his theory if no transitional species were found, why don't you take his advice? Typical creationist baloney.
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aristotle Junior Member (Idle past 2476 days) Posts: 16 Joined: |
Well now that is interesting! Thank you for sharing.
However, as you so astutely pointed out to me in another thread: how much change does an organism require to become an entire new species. According to that fossil record, no new species were created, it was just the same species varying slightly. And please link me to the 'hundreds' of supposed speciations the guy has witnessed, as I know for a fact that no mutation has ever been witnessed adding information to a genome. Regards, aristotle Edited by aristotle, : No reason given. Edited by aristotle, : No reason given."I have learned from my own embarrassing experience how easy it is to concoct remarkably persuasive Darwinian explanations that evaporate on closer inspection." - Daniel Dennet
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Well now that is interesting! Thank you for sharing. You're welcome.
However, as you so astutely pointed out to me in another thread: how much change does an organism require to become an entire new species. According to that fossil record, no new species were created, it was just the same species varying slightly. In your opinion. In the opinion of the scientists doing the work (Dr. Philip Gingerich, Dr. Richard Haskin) there were several. But what would they know. This image shows several species in three genera, from a pdf behind a paywall:
You can also see more here (scroll down to figure 4.2), which also includes copelemur as well as pelycodus.
And please link me to the 'hundreds' of supposed speciations the guy has witnessed, ... That would be Drs. Tony Arnold (Ph.D., Harvard) and Bill Parker (Ph.D., Chicago) ... as I know for a fact that no mutation has ever been witnessed adding information to a genome. Just as I know for a fact that "information" is either added or the concept is irrelevant to evolution ... see Irreducible Complexity, Information Loss and Barry Hall's experiments. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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aristotle Junior Member (Idle past 2476 days) Posts: 16 Joined: |
But what would they know. If they're Darwinian-evolutionists then they don't know much about species, as he couldn't even define the term. If they don't even know exactly what a species is, how can they tell when there are different ones? That link gives hardly any information about the differences between the supposed species, in the picture of all the varying ones, the all look pretty much the same. And any changes that did appear in those single-cell organisms cannot be compared to higher animals, which are far more complex."I have learned from my own embarrassing experience how easy it is to concoct remarkably persuasive Darwinian explanations that evaporate on closer inspection." - Daniel Dennet
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If they don't even know exactly what a species is, how can they tell when there are different ones? If you don't know exactly where that picture transitions from one color to the other, then how can you say the top is white and the bottom is black?
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