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Tangle
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Message 20 of 38 (776723)
01-19-2016 7:35 AM


62 people
I don't know about a new world order but it was announced this week that 62 people have more money than 50% of the world's population combined (3.6 billion people).
Something is very, very broken
Richest 62 people have more money than poorest half of the planet — New York Daily News
Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 24 of 38 (776739)
01-19-2016 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Greatest I am
01-19-2016 11:19 AM


Re: 62 people
GIA writes:
We need a French Revolution across the whole world.
The French are no different.
Communism is the anwer, sadly that doesn't work either.
The nearest we've achieved are the liberal democracies of Scandanavia, and they're hardly perfect.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 26 of 38 (776742)
01-19-2016 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Greatest I am
01-19-2016 11:51 AM


Re: 62 people
GIA writes:
We have never really had a communist nation with a flat socio economic demographic pyramid. Even Russia and China have/had hierarchical shapes to theirs.
You need to ask yourself why? They had great moral ambitions but all failed.
It's generally called 'the human condition'. We're born to compete and look after our own. Social morality grows only very slowly. We're not ready to share fairly yet; as a species we're still childlike and greedy.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 28 of 38 (776746)
01-19-2016 1:34 PM
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01-19-2016 1:03 PM


Re: History
The word has always been massively unequal. But I suspect the real gap was wider then than now. Or another way of putting it, it's probably better to be poor today, than rich then.
The reason is the way GDP was static for thousands of years, then grew exponentially after the enlightenment and industrial revolution. (But, of course this is a very western-centric view of the world.)

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 31 of 38 (776779)
01-20-2016 3:55 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Greatest I am
01-19-2016 7:05 PM


Re: 62 people
GIA writes:
You seem to be saying that what I think are our strong points to be deficits for mankind.
Our individual selfishness is quite definately a weakness in a mutually supportive society. If we were organised like an ant colony we would be far more efficient.
But of course we're not built that way and we can't be made so. The trick is organising ourselves to balance our selfish instincts to do the very best we can for ourselves against creating benefits that should be spread amongst everyone.
The ambition to have us all the same is hardly moral.
It's also impossible - which is why I'm not arguing that point.
The drive to the greatest fitness is not a deficit but man's greatest asset.
It's also our greatest weakness, which is why we have laws and regulations to control our worst instincts.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 33 of 38 (776823)
01-20-2016 6:52 PM
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01-20-2016 1:52 PM


Re: 62 people
GIA writes:
Good Grief. You have it all backward. You are trying to say that nature and our survival instincts have it backwards.
Ugh. I'm saying that our primitive instincts of survival and completion do not equip us for living in a tower block in New York earning a living infront of a computer. So much should be obvious. Our modern societies have far outstripped evolution's controls.
Our selfish gene's default setting is to cooperate. Not to compete directly as it knows that the best survival strategy is to cooperate which you agree with.
People are far more complicated than you want to make them - they're not amoeba, they have competing objectives and motivations, we have consciousness and intelligence. We both compete and cooperate as we judge the circumstances.
we did not, the weakest would inherit the earth, so to speak, and mankind would regress in terms of fitness and that is why survival of the fittest is the best way for us to go.
Utter bollox.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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