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Tangle
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Message 31 of 38 (776779)
01-20-2016 3:55 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Greatest I am
01-19-2016 7:05 PM


Re: 62 people
GIA writes:

You seem to be saying that what I think are our strong points to be deficits for mankind.

Our individual selfishness is quite definately a weakness in a mutually supportive society. If we were organised like an ant colony we would be far more efficient.

But of course we're not built that way and we can't be made so. The trick is organising ourselves to balance our selfish instincts to do the very best we can for ourselves against creating benefits that should be spread amongst everyone.

The ambition to have us all the same is hardly moral.

It's also impossible - which is why I'm not arguing that point.

The drive to the greatest fitness is not a deficit but man's greatest asset.

It's also our greatest weakness, which is why we have laws and regulations to control our worst instincts.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Greatest I am
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Message 32 of 38 (776810)
01-20-2016 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Tangle
01-20-2016 3:55 AM


Re: 62 people
Tangle

"Our individual selfishness is quite definitely a weakness in a mutually supportive society."

Good Grief. You have it all backward. You are trying to say that nature and our survival instincts have it backwards.

Our selfish gene's default setting is to cooperate. Not to compete directly as it knows that the best survival strategy is to cooperate which you agree with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIc-4h9RIvY

That cooperation default continues into young children and remains until our so called adult systems forces them to compete.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-eU5xZW7cU

"It's also our greatest weakness, which is why we have laws and regulations to control our worst instincts."

A weakness would not have the fittest emerge.

We have laws and regulations for the stupid whose instincts have been suppressed by the human systems we have put in place that force us to compete.

Our instincts know that it is better for survival to be in a group. We select the group based on the cooperation we see and wish to maintain as our default position. Only after we grow up do we change that default to competition so that the adult world can seek the fittest of our breed through the more strenuous competition.

If we did not, the weakest would inherit the earth, so to speak, and mankind would regress in terms of fitness and that is why survival of the fittest is the best way for us to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T64_El2s7FU

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DL


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Tangle
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Message 33 of 38 (776823)
01-20-2016 6:52 PM
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01-20-2016 1:52 PM


Re: 62 people
GIA writes:

Good Grief. You have it all backward. You are trying to say that nature and our survival instincts have it backwards.

Ugh. I'm saying that our primitive instincts of survival and completion do not equip us for living in a tower block in New York earning a living infront of a computer. So much should be obvious. Our modern societies have far outstripped evolution's controls.

Our selfish gene's default setting is to cooperate. Not to compete directly as it knows that the best survival strategy is to cooperate which you agree with.

People are far more complicated than you want to make them - they're not amoeba, they have competing objectives and motivations, we have consciousness and intelligence. We both compete and cooperate as we judge the circumstances.

we did not, the weakest would inherit the earth, so to speak, and mankind would regress in terms of fitness and that is why survival of the fittest is the best way for us to go.

Utter bollox.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Big_Al35
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Message 34 of 38 (776849)
01-21-2016 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by 1.61803
10-14-2015 2:44 PM


1.61803 writes:

There is no real conspiracy in globalization and new world orders. There is only the same players, playing the same games and forgetting the lessons of the past imo.

Have you forgotten George Bush's speech? Here is an excerpt;

What is at stake is more than one small country; it is a big idea: a new world order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind -- peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle and worthy of our children's future.


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dronestar
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Message 35 of 38 (776854)
01-21-2016 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Big_Al35
01-21-2016 12:10 PM


No, but I remember these:

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?" George W Bush, Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." George W Bush, Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000

"They misunderestimated me." George W Bush, Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

"We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." George W Bush, after meeting with the leaders of the European Union, Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

"It's no exaggeration to say the undecideds could go one way or another."At a campaign rally in Troy, New York, 21st October 1988

"I understand small business growth. I was one." George W Bush, New York Daily News, Feb. 19, 2000

Bush: "I talked to my little brother, Jeb - I haven't told this to many people. But he's the governor of - I shouldn't call him my little brother - my brother, Jeb, the great Governor of Texas."
Jim Lehrer: "Florida."
Bush: "Florida. The state of the Florida."
News Hour With Jim Lehrer, PBS, 27th April 2000

"After all, religion has been around a lot longer than Darwinism." George, September 2000

"You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test." George W Bush, Townsend, Tennessee, 21st February 2001


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Big_Al35
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Message 36 of 38 (776872)
01-21-2016 5:46 PM
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01-21-2016 1:06 PM


dronestar writes:

"They misunderestimated me." George W Bush, Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

You have the wrong Bush. Bush senior gave the new world order speech.

You also missed one of my favourite Bushisms;

Fool me once, shame on ... shame on you
Fool me ... you can't fool me again.


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 37 of 38 (776875)
01-21-2016 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Big_Al35
01-21-2016 12:10 PM


Remember what the 1991 Operation Desert Storm was about.
quote:

What is at stake is more than one small country; it is a big idea: a new world order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind -- peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle and worthy of our children's future.

It was about keeping the Middle East split into endless nations, and to prevent any kind of unity.

For some reason, the commentators manage to not only miss the point, but infact blow the point to smitherines. and put the pieces into the exact opposite direction.

NWO=enforced separation

Fact!

Another fact is that James, the brother of Jesus was anti-nationalist.

In Acts 15:16-17 , he choose to quote a controversial set of Greek Old Testament verses from a Septuagint-like text-type translation.

The Septuagint says this (understand this is an English translation)

quote:

Amos chapter 9
11In that day I will raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and will rebuild the ruins of it, and will set up the parts thereof that have been broken down, and will build it up as in the ancient days:

12that the remnant of men, and all the Gentiles upon whom my name is called, may earnestly seek me, saith the Lord who does all these things.


The (NIV translation of) standard Hebrew says this

quote:

Amos chapter 9
11 “In that day

“I will restore David’s fallen shelter—
I will repair its broken walls
and restore its ruins—
and will rebuild it as it used to be,

12
so that they may possess the remnant of Edom
and all the nations that bear my name,[e]”
declares the Lord, who will do these things.


The Acts 15 text of the NIV says this

quote:

16
“‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,

17
that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’—

18
things known from long ago.



(In the Greek, the Acts 15 words are the same as the Septuagint except sentences are in a different order.)

If your Bible (whether NIV, KJV or whatever) seems like it is contradicting itself, then it is because it is.

As for James:

This verse choice wasn't an accident.

It was a deliberate anti-nationalist statement to quote THOSE verses.

No wonder the Jews killed him and threw him off the Temple in 61 AD.

The Roman Catholic church (as protestants do to this day) considered James and his followers "heretics" during the second century (on), but James (and the apostles) demand that gentiles eat kosher didn't stop Jews from feeling that his views were STILL like 99% contrary to their cherished law and Temple.

He sure wasn't in favor of borders. The Idumea issue (of the 1 century ce) or transJordan issue (of the 8th century B.C. of Amos), or the Negeb issue (600s BCE or even 700) wasn't of any concern to James except to erase all borders. Not to retake land from others.

James supported the larger Pax Romana but the Jews in Jerusalem apparently did not.

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.


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dronestar
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Message 38 of 38 (776897)
01-22-2016 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Big_Al35
01-21-2016 5:46 PM


Sorry.
Big_Al35 writes:

You have the wrong Bush. Bush senior gave the new world order speech.

I am sorry, my mistake. I had just finished a rather large post about George Jr., so I had 'Bush on the Brain.'

I am hoping an over-the-counter fungicide can treat it.


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