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Author Topic:   13th century rabbi says universe billions of years old
Blue Jay
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Message 15 of 60 (777541)
02-03-2016 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by OrthodoxJew
02-02-2016 7:20 PM


So, let's extrapolate a bit.
1 divine day = 1000 Earth years
therefore, 1 divine year = 365,250 Earth years
So, 1 Sabbatical cycle (7000 years?) = 2,556,750,000 Earth years.
Does that mean there will be 2,556,750,000 years between Creation and Destruction? That's a long time.
I suppose a lot of time may have passed between the Creation and the Fall, but these numbers would suggest that we likely still have a long time to go before Destruction.

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Blue Jay
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Message 25 of 60 (777621)
02-04-2016 12:55 PM
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02-04-2016 6:25 AM


Hi, Pressie.
Pressie writes:
But that's already run out as the earth is already 4 500 000 000 years old (give or take a few million years) and we're still here.
Sure, but I'm working within the confines of the OP's mythos. Presumably, the current sabbatical cycle began with Creation Week, which presumably lasted 7000 years (unless "1 day = 1000 years" is only meant to be applied when convenient). Since Adam was created during Creation Week, there would need to be an additional ~2.5 billion years after Adam's creation before the Destruction happens, which means ~2.5 billion years of human history.
That timespan for human history is not attested in either the geological record or the biblical record. In order for this numerology stuff to work out, either (1) we've got a long time to go before Destruction, or (2) there is some unattested "human history" somewhere; e.g., Adam and Eve lived alone in the Garden of Eden for billions of years before the Fall, or Adam's and Noah's biblical ages were given in divine years (so Adam died at age 339,682,500), or something like that.

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Blue Jay
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Message 28 of 60 (777665)
02-05-2016 10:54 AM
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02-04-2016 1:30 PM


Hi, Caffeine.
caffeine writes:
This very issue was addressed by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, who as far as I can tell is the origin of the claim that Isaac of Akko accurately dated the universe. The appeal is to the two accounts of creation in Genesis. The seven days happened before the Big Bang, and referred to the creation of the world and man in thought, whereas the second account refers to the deed.
I've never heard of this Rabbi before. Do you have a link I could follow to read the whole argument?
Judging by your brief comments, it sounds a bit anticlimactic. Basically, it sounds like this: "The numbers work out, and the remaining discrepancies are entirely due to details that God/Moses left out of the Torah." That's not fair.
Also, what does "created in thought" mean? Does it mean God came up with the idea of Creation before the Big Bang, then implemented it over the next 15 billion years?

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