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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Digressions into sub-topics are fine, but they shouldn't come to dominate discussion. This thread is about the primaries. At some point the digressions should be tied into the views of actual candidates and/or the electorate.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
A story told by Trump on the campaign trail:
Donald Trump cites story of general who dipped bullets in pigs' blood to deter Muslims | CNN Politics
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Never said any such thing. Criticize him all you want, but do it with the facts and stop the PC propaganda namecalling. Except that criticizing him about his position on waterboarding is a criticism based on the facts. Nobody is simply applying labels without also offering justification. Your complaint is just an excuse to ignore the arguments. What do you think about Trump relating the story about solving problems by killing 49 captured prisoners in cold blood? How about Trump's calling people who disagree with him stupid? Almost all of the Republican candidates have tough policies on immigration. Most of them manage to express those policies without inflammatory xenophobic speech. Yet you find something to admire in his speech. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7
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What is it with you religious right wackaloons and the desire for martyrdom?
Well the answer is easy. There is no way to logically support your beliefs so if your martyr yourself at least you will have some sort of spiritual justification. The amazing thing is that what you claim the government is going to do to you is exactly what you want done to people that don't hold your beliefs. The thing you and your ilk don't understand is that the other side has no desire to hurt or martyr you because of your beliefs. The projection is very disturbing. You will notice we only fight back when you try to impose your belief structure on others. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What is it with you religious right wackaloons and the desire for martyrdom? Well the answer is easy. There is no way to logically support your beliefs so if your martyr yourself at least you will have some sort of spiritual justification. The amazing thing is that what you claim the government is going to do to you is exactly what you want done to people that don't hold your beliefs. The thing you and your ilk don't understand is that the other side has no desire to hurt or martyr you because of your beliefs. The projection is very disturbing. You will notice we only fight back when you try to impose your belief structure on others. Golly what a rant. The fact is Christians have already been punished for opposing gay marriage, with fines and the loss of businesses. It's not something that's GOING TO happen, it HAS happened, because of the law requiring acceptance of gay marriage. As long as no one challenges us on it we won't be punished (it's interesting that no Muslim businesses have been challenged although they could be because they also reject gay marriage), but all you have to do is ask us to do something to help celebrate a gay marriage and sue us for refusing and there you have it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Except that criticizing him about his position on waterboarding is a criticism based on the facts. Nobody is simply applying labels without also offering justification. That's not true. I didn't get to find out what waterboarding actually does until way into the excuse for a discussion about it that went on here, then finally somebody informed me, inadvertently I think, that it gives the sensation of suffocation, and I suppose could even lead to suffocation. How was not discussed. Nor was any opinion by experts offered. No facts about waterboarding until then, just a lot of rhetoric about how evil Trump is for supporting it, how unchristian it proves him to be and all that typical ad hominem leftist propaganda rot. And by the way once you've applied the label evil or the equivalent to a political opponent how would you go about justifying it anyway? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Almost all of the Republican candidates have tough policies on immigration. Most of them manage to express those policies without inflammatory xenophobic speech. Yet you find something to admire in his speech. I could be wrong since I don't listen to all the debates or political rhetoric, but my impression is that nobody is as bold about it as Trump and I like his boldness and his willingness to face down the PC accusations such as "xenophobic" that are hurled at him. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh, how EVIL of him! That IS your point, isn't it?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
There are laws against discrimination. The laws protect christians too.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2934 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
faith writes:
Actually it's the Pope who isn't Christian, he's the major candidate for Antichrist, according to the Protestant Reformers. But he does bring out the unlovely fact that it's the Roman Antichrist Church that has done the most to further the illegal immigration across our southern border, by inciting them in their homeland to cross the border and by providing sanctuary after they've crossed it. I wonder if that could be because the vast majority of those crossing the southern border are Catholics? Were the "Protestant Reformers" referring to Pope Francis or all of the popes as Antichrist?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 285 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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That's not true. I didn't get to find out what waterboarding actually does until way into the excuse for a discussion about it that went on here, then finally somebody informed me, inadvertently I think, that it gives the sensation of suffocation, and I suppose could even lead to suffocation. How was not discussed. Nor was any opinion by experts offered. No facts about waterboarding until then, just a lot of rhetoric about how evil Trump is for supporting it, how unchristian it proves him to be and all that typical ad hominem leftist propaganda rot. How were we to guess that you were participating in a heated discussion of a thing without even knowing what it was or the first thing about it? ... oh, right, long experience of your behavior. Are there any other key terms you need defining? This is a Donald Trump:
And this is a Republican Party:
Or possibly a flock of vultures, I sometimes get them mixed up. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I would like to nominate Theodoric's Message 729 as the most perfect example of PC in this discussion ... I note that you haven't provided any arguments or evidence to suggest that what he wrote isn't actually true.
My effort in this entire discussion has been to object to Political Correctness as the left's favorite form of "debate" and to try to show how it operates in the thinking of the posters on this topic here, when discussing Trump's views of illegal immigration, or the Right's views in general for that matter, or the Right's view of gay marriage, or even what Trump said about waterboarding. I tried to make it clear that I'm not into discussing the issues themselves, I just want to get across that PC is a pernicious form of thought and doesn't belong in any intellectual discourse of any kind. Yes, the issues should be discussed instead, but that's not my purpose here, my purpose is to highlight the evil doctrine of PC and how the left uses it all the time as if it were a legitimate form of debate. And Theodoric's post is a brilliant piece of Perfect PC so I had to give it a prize. Let me try again to get across what I've been saying all along:
I think I may have forgotten some other things I said about PC, so if I remember them I'll come back and add them. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
So no evidence? Still stuck on assertions I see.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No wonder nobody here sees the evidence for the Flood. You don't know what evidence is.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Very nice piece of PC slander.
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