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crashfrog

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Message 164 of 213 (77829)
01-11-2004 4:40 PM

Reply to: Message 162 by P e t e r
01-11-2004 4:09 PM

For now, the one that comes to mind is when I was in elementry school I got a Gideons bible and took it contents as true.

Yeah, they get you at an early age. Like drug pushers.

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Message 166 of 213 (77838)
01-11-2004 5:14 PM

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01-11-2004 5:09 PM

If I'm reading your statement right, evidence can support anything, proof fulfills the accuracy of the evidence.

Why draw the distinction? Can you imagine any situation where somebody would ask for evidence, but not proof? If evidence is useless, why would anybody ask for it?

Proof = evidence. It's just dishonest to try and make a distinction.

100 atheists who believe in Jesus but not God, that could be tough.
If that could happen, statistically, in this criteria the evidence favours there is no God.

What does belief in Jesus have to do with it? If you only ask people who already believe in Jesus, then you're going to get people who already believe in God.

That's not a statistically valid sample. It's tainted by response bias. Try a random sample of human beings from all over the world. You'll find the majority don't believe in the Christian God.

OK, I'm not an expert on that, but I'm of the opinion when you read something I write you have a tendency to translate it into something I don't mean to write.

How? Take the definition (a good one) of "response bias" you found and apply it to the idea of only asking people who already believe in Jesus.

If you think I'm changing your words, you'll have to show me how. I'm merely showing you the consequences of your position - consequences you have not apparently thought out.

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Message 171 of 213 (77885)
01-11-2004 10:50 PM

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01-11-2004 5:36 PM

Proverbs 22:6 Train up the child according to the tenor of his way, and when he is old he will not depart from it.

In other words: "Close his mind as early as possible and it will not open when he is older."

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Message 172 of 213 (77887)
01-11-2004 10:54 PM

Reply to: Message 168 by Cold Foreign Object
01-11-2004 7:39 PM

What is your source of information for how God must/should be ?

The observation that God does not observably act in this world.

Who's standard of morality are you using to explain God away ?

The one your God would have us follow.

Is this standard a rigged litmus test ?

Hardly - merely the realization that a moral, omnipotent God could not allow injustice and suffering in the world. That these things do exist is evidence that God is moral or all-powerful, but not both. Moral entities do not stand by when the have the power to ameliorate suffering. Ergo either God lacks morals or power (or both).

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Message 180 of 213 (78120)
01-12-2004 10:38 PM

Reply to: Message 179 by Cold Foreign Object
01-12-2004 10:27 PM

The soveriegnty of God decided the length of the course until He manifested His Son.

So what you're saying is, no reason at all. God is capricious and arbitrary.

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Message 209 of 213 (79008)
01-17-2004 4:01 AM

Reply to: Message 208 by sloth2613
01-17-2004 2:58 AM

You assume that you understand why an atheist is an atheist.

I would hope I understood - I am one.

Maybe you didn't mean to reply to me, in particular. Just so you know there's two ways to reply at this board: the red reply button under each message, and the white "Reply" button at the bottom. The difference is that the red button replies to specific messages (for ease of thread navigation) and the white one replies to the thread in general; that is, no message in particular.

It gets confusing if you meant to reply to one message but hit the red reply button on another message. For instance in your message it looks like you meant to reply to Willowtree, but the button you pressed addressed your reply to me.

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