White Privilege

No. I would not agree.Those questions favored kids familiar with English culture. Much like I am sure the math questions favored kids familiar with numbers, or the history questions favored kids familiar with important dates.Your example is just another of many lame attempts in this thread to see racism everywhere it might not exist, even when it requires you to confuse very distinct things like race and culture.Culture and race are not the same thing. And there is nothing preventing British Asians from learning nursery rhymes.

I did not use English and British interchangeably in my post.When I said English culture, I literally meant the culture of the English language. English culture belongs to everyone who speaks the language. How the fuck should I know if they're "technically British" or not? That's for you and your government to decide what qualifies someone as a British citizen. It's not up to me and it doesn't even matter for your example.

According only to you.

In a general sense, sure.But now we're straying from the topic.

When was this? No. We do not all agree on that. Despite it's name, AAVE is not unique to African Americans nor do all African Americans speak it.Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

I never said it was... What are you talking about?

Of course they are.And the implications of your statement are ridiculous. Is testing anything someone might not know from birth "not a valid reflection of their intelligence"?

Regarding homogeneity, you said:

quote:

---

Modulous in Message 235:

​

I fail to see how agreeing that European-American and African-American culture have differences is offtopic when you were trying to claim homogenousness.

---

This is what I was replying to when I asked you to point out where I declared European- and African-American cultures as homogenous.I don't think I've ever tried 'to claim homogenousness' re European- and African-American cultures. Email? I don't get notifications, I replied to your post; you updated it while I was typing. Shit happens. You can get over it now. Being Indian also maximizes one's chances of not speaking AAVE. And at this point you're not even talking about a 'privilege', but rather a 'disadvantage', and one that, evidence suggests, is easily surmounted and not unlike the 'disadvantages' faced by many folks whose native dialect is removed from the academic or professional standard. No; just that's it's not at all indicative of a 'privilege', and certainly not one tied to race. In short, it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Stop being a dick. This shit happens regularly around here. Most people point it out and move on.But leave it to the all-arrogant Modulous to try to blame his debate partner for a mistake he himself made... Anyway, I'm ready to move past this. Are you? This thread is about 'white privilege'. Pointing out that what you call a 'privilege' applies to almost everyone is entirely on topic, unless you want to argue otherwise, but then you are back to where many were when this thread began: defining 'privilege' in such a way that it has no useful meaning.And I don't feel like going in circles with you just 'cause you couldn't get here sooner. So I'm not going there. So you're just going to ignore everything else I said about dialects and their ability to 'disadvantage' people?How much do you know about AAVE and the dialects of American English?What defines Standard American English and how many people speak it from birth?

The term as you wish to use it is useless.And there is a lot of useless crap in academia. Then on what are you basing your claims regarding AAVE?AAVE might make it very difficult for black students to do well on tests; it also might have no affect greater than the affect any dialect deviant from the Standard has. It seems you wouldn't be likely to have a clue one way or the other.I myself haven't seen anything to indicate AAVE would inhibit academic performance providing a decent education on the Standard variety. That last part is becoming harder to come by, though, as Multiculturalist liberals for misguided reasons look to preserve amongst blacks the non-standard dialect and a mass ignorance of the Standard typically necessary for academic success and a lot of good employment. It's entirely related, because if no one speaks the Standard from birth, then pointing out the prevalence of a non-standard variety amongst one group can't prove a 'disadvantage' for that group or some 'privilege' for others.

Thank you for clarifying to everyone that your position is ridiculous.

You're trying to get race involved where race plays no part.For people who grow up speaking English, what nursery rhymes do you think they learn?I grew up speaking English. What nursery rhymes do you think I learned? Well, no; my claim is not that people should just magically know stuff they were never taught.My claim is that the questions relate to English culture and test one's understanding of it. And that these questions aren't 'unfair' because all test questions test people on things they had to be taught at some point. To argue they are unfair is to go down the road of ridiculousness with ringo.

It's easy. I asked: Is testing anything someone might not know from birth "not a valid reflection of their intelligence"?You replied: Of course it isn't valid. And that's laughably a ridiculous position, ringo. Almost nothing anyone knows did they know from birth.No school could get away with restricting itself to only testing those things its pupils should have known from birth.Your position is ridiculous in the extreme; right up there with your defense of FGM. The tests weren't in a language the children didn't speak. Your question is irrelevant.

Testing cultural knowledge is a perfectly valid thing to do.Believing the alternative leads us into absurdity.

That's just as ridiculous. Did you read vimesey's explanation of the test?