People ARE Mixing the Gospels Together!

• This is NONSENSE, Bob.
• Why call God El for starters? I have this awful feeling you are going to treat El as different from Yahweh? I hope not. Anyway, both are names for the same God, El is the generic name used by the peoples of the Middle East, and Yahweh (I prefer Jehovah myself) is the Name God uses in His Covenant with Israel. But they are the same God.
• And why would God have any kind of problem relating to the beings He Himself created? Scripture is clear that Adam had a close relationship with God before the Fall.
• And what on earth does it mean to say "El was the light source of the earth?" El needed no light source. And if He'd already created Adam and Eve He'd also already created the sun, moon and stars.

• As I already said, God does not have a body. He IS Spirit, He is everywhere at once.
• Scripture says Jesus is the light of this world. God is light in Himself. It's not a light we see with our physical eyes, but a spiritual light that will be visible to our spirits when we have left this life. And He in Himself in His totality IS everywhere. Jesus became man so He does have a body and His body isn't everywhere but His Spirit is.
• Why would God need to "use" a particular light source in order to talk to Adam? Adam had a spiritual nature before the Fall that could communicate with God directly.

God often gave His prophets visions of Himself, that I think we are to take as symbolic expressions of His nature. But really I have no idea why you are recounting Ezekiel's vision.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yahweh was clearly established when the earth was in the second heaven. But in the first heaven we are dealing with El, and he does indeed have a body. Interesting how many religion teachings get blown out of the water. Study the different usages of the word 'spirit'.Now El is going to create the earth in the middle of this structure (what structure), but El from his throne in the north of the north (what is the north of the north), he is going to be the light source of the earth. But how can El visit the earth and have a relationship with the beings living on that earth and still maintain the light source of the earth? Edited by Bob Bobber, : No reason given.

This fundie fight is fun!

It is cool how God can now totally accept people even though people are sinful, because all sin has been paid for once and for all. God is not looking at us in the practical since of our sinfulness, but in the identity of being in his son, that’s how we can be holy and without blame before him in love. 
Satan wants to blind people’s eyes to the truth of Paul’s good news. Satan is offering people a way to become righteous; to achieve a righteous standing before God, and he always attaches people’s performance; people’s fingerprints are found on Satan’s method of becoming righteous.

It seems he did, but there are a lot of missing around going on, if you know what I mean. I took out something that makes no since, some kind of superiority teaching that seems to be added to Hebrews?Hebrews 1:1-3:15;
From of old, Yahweh spoke to the Israelites fathers by the prophets in every manner, and in all ways; but in these later days, Yahweh has conversed with us, by his son; whom Yahweh has constituted heir of all things, and when Yeshua made a purgation of sins, then Yeshua sat down on the right hand of Yahweh. Wherefore, my brethren, who are called with a calling that is from heaven, consider this high priest of our profession, Yeshua the Messiah; because Yahweh has said, O, if you would but heed my charge this day; do not be stubborn as at Meribah, in the wilderness, when your fathers put me to the test, tried me, though they had seen my deeds.Forty years I was provoked by that generation; I thought, they are a senseless people; they would not know my ways. Concerning them, I swore in anger, they shall never come to my resting-place! Beware, therefore, my brethren, lest there be in any of us an evil heart that believes not, and we depart from the living Yahweh; but we need to examine ourselves all the days, during the day which is called today; and let none of us be hardened, through the deceitfulness of sin; for we have part with the Messiah, if we persevere in this firm confidence, from the beginning to the end; as it was said, O, if you would but heed my charge this day. Do not harden your hearts to anger Yahweh.Hebrews 1:4-2:18; 3:2-6 is what was left out?I don't know where you stand on this subject, sorry for taking do long to answer you, it is a trippy subject. Edited by Bob Bobber, : No reason given.

It is fun, doctrines die hard when the first heaven is reasoned out?

I realize I'm wasting my breath, but it's hard to resist answering heretics.Yahweh "clearly established" is another bit of nonsense. This name (or Jehovah) didn't exist in anybody's knowledge until He gave it to Moses.Earth being in the second heaven is nonsense, or the first heaven or any heaven at all. God created the heavens AND the earth in Genesis 1, as separate things. Yeah, heresies are really good at blowing truth out of the water. But of course how is anyone going to judge between what you are saying and what I am saying anyway, unless they already know the truth of the Bible? I'm trying to accurately convey the historical Protestant Reformation teachings as I've learned them, but if people don't know anything about any of it, why should they take what I say seriously? I guess if anybody REALLY wants to know they can do their own study of the scriptures and historical writings, but not many are likely to do that.Sigh. You've got two Gods here now, inhabiting different heavens, and how you came up with this nonsense I can't fathom. Have you forgotten that scripture says there is only ONE God? Perhaps you should try to gather together a following and start your own religion? This one sure has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity. Now I'm amazed that you seemed to have such a good grasp of salvation by grace rather than works. Maybe that was an illusion.

My reasonings are sound so far, don't know it all, but it can be reasoned out. The age of grace is one thing, this is something else. You cannot drag religion into this, because this story is in the Bible.

Bob, you haven't given any of your reasoning at all. You've presented your conclusions without any support whatever. I just figured you are incapable of presenting a reasoned argument so I haven't pushed you. You've not given any reason whatever for accepting your different heavens and the position of the earth in them or two Gods or any of it. I'm not asking you to, the whole scenario you've concocted is absolute rubbish.

I think I see why this is rubbish to you, would you be one of those three-in-oner's? But don't say there are two Gods, just he has two names, but El is his name in the first heaven.

I asked you how Lucifer could force God to do anything.

Lucifer didn't flood the earth. God did.

Why?

Once Lucifer took over the earth while it was in the first heaven, El was forced to light the earth while Lucifer and his clan did whatever they wanted. Forced in that sense?

Not when the earth was in the first heaven, Lucifer caused that flood (Gen. 1:1).