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Theodoric
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Message 139 of 165 (779841)
03-08-2016 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Jon
03-08-2016 6:49 PM


So "gay speech" is different things to different people.
I wonder what sounding gay actually means to Faith.
I honestly have never heard anyone actually use valleyspeak, straight or gay. It has always just been a caricature on TV and movies in my experience.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 141 of 165 (779935)
03-09-2016 8:38 PM


Yay science
Here is another study debunking the whole "gay voice" and "gaydar" thing. Just stereotypes, according to the people that actually study these things.
quote:
Just like there is no gay voice, there is no gay job, hobby or personality. Gaydar, the pop culture sixth sense that many people proudly claim to have, doesn’t actually exist, according to Inferences About Sexual Orientation: The Roles of Stereotypes, Faces, and The Gaydar Myth a 2015 study of nearly 900 participants led by University of Wisconsin-Madison professor William Cox.
In reality, gaydar just another word for stereotype, and it can be harmful in the workplace, according to a 2015 Human Rights Campaign study. One in 10 LGBT people left their jobs because of an unwelcoming work environment. Also, 35 percent of LGBT employees feel they have to lie about their personal lives at work.
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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 143 of 165 (779945)
03-10-2016 12:00 AM
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03-09-2016 10:14 PM


I should just not respond
Edited by Theodoric, : Forget it

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 147 of 165 (780049)
03-10-2016 1:54 PM
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03-10-2016 1:49 PM


Re: Yay science
If it is no more accurate than chance it isn't accurate.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 151 of 165 (780072)
03-10-2016 6:00 PM
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03-10-2016 3:04 PM


Re: Yay science
Sorry for the miswording but the article, and I, assumes people have acknowledge studies, presented already, have shown that there is no "gay voice" thing. That is why the article is worded as it is.
Now would anyone like to provide any type of study that confirms a "gay voice" thing or the scientific existence of "gaydar".
I was challenged to provide some science. I have presented a few studies and have been constantly attacked, but no one seems to have any science to back up the other side.
This is an entirely different question to that of whether gay men are more likely to have a stereotypically gay voice than straight me.
Addressed more than adequately in previous posts. If you have any data showing else wise please present it.
I have never presented any of these studies as the definitive end all be all. Rarely, if ever does science work that way. I have presented studies that show what they are studying, does not support the premise that there is a "gay voice" or gaydar.
So you got anything to show there is? Other than stereotype, anecdote or bigotry of course.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 153 of 165 (780117)
03-11-2016 9:05 AM
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03-11-2016 1:55 AM


Re: Yay science
and David Thorpe who did 'Do I sound Gay?'.
Have you watched this? What were its conclusions?
If you hear a gay voice, it's 50/50 that the person is gay.
Evidence? Can you provide some sort of study? No anecdotes please.
You are either denying the existence of a homosexual culture, or you are suggesting that acknowledging the existence of a gay culture is bigoted.
Wow!! That has to be the biggest strawman I have ever seen.
All I am saying is that this thing people call a "gay voice" is not restricted to gays. Evidence shows that this speech pattern is not a result of being gay but rather learned behaviour from upbringing. Yes there are exceptions to this

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 158 of 165 (780135)
03-11-2016 11:37 AM
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03-11-2016 10:50 AM


Re: Yay maths!
No.
Maybe you should because it does not support your position, so maybe you should not present it as support.
your demand for evidence is absurd EVEN if you want to act innocent about the attempt at deception.
You were the one that originally called for evidence. What is good for the goose...
There would be no 'gaydar' as such. OF course, it would still be better than guessing in any representative sample, even though you are still wrong half the time.
How could this even make sense? You are making numerous assumptions here. YOu are pulling #'s out of the air and expecting them to be some how evidence for your argument. How could being wrong 50% of the time be better than random guessing?
Nobody has claimed otherwise as far as I am aware. What are you arguing about?
You are the one jumping all over me. You seem to have some idea that I am denigrating some sort of gay culture.
The point I have been trying to point out is that "gay voice" is a stereotype. Do you agree?
Stereotypes, even seemingly innocuous ones, are harmful and degrading. Do you agree?
If you do then get off my back. That is all I have argued on this thread. You seem to want make it into some sort of attack on gays or that you are some sort of "gay" expert.
If you feel the need to perpetuate stereotypes that is your choice but I am going to call them out.
The most masculine seeming man I know is gay. I know seeming effeminate gay and straight men. I know extremely feminine lesbians and masculine lesbians. I know a whole mixture of straight and gay people that have different tastes and perceptions of feminine and masculine. I know a gay man that is completely and totally disgusted with the idea of anal sex. I know a straight guy that enjoys quite a bit of anal pleasure. Different people are different.
There is no overarching gay type or straight type. As there is no overarching type of hispanic or black person or albanian. People are individuals and stereotyping them is to dehumanize them and make them a caricature.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 159 of 165 (780136)
03-11-2016 11:39 AM
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03-11-2016 10:56 AM


Re: Yay science
Maybe a little exaggeration but at any time have I come close to...
You are either denying the existence of a homosexual culture, or you are suggesting that acknowledging the existence of a gay culture is bigoted.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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