Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

Then maybe people will learn that you can't run a country like a business.

My understanding is that there are hundreds of Christians among the refugees, seeking asylum like all the rest of them. Those government agencies who decide who and how many to let into the country are those I'm talking about.We need a way to deal with the potential dangers of admitting Muslims and it isn't reassuring that leftists won't even acknowledge that there is such a danger. The task is to try to determine which are radical followers of Islam and which might become radicalized.I've thought that Christians should organize some kind of ministry to deal with the problem. There are certainly Christian missions to refugees, but some kind of aggressive action is needed from a Christian point of view that doesn't seem to be happening, so that innocent Muslims can be taken care of and potentially dangerous Muslims recognized. Hundreds, thousands of Christians, should go as missionaries directly to the refugees and get to know them and help them even in that situation and then determine how to place them in new homes.You have to regard the safety of the nation too, that's what the left is failing to do. The situation with women being raped in Sweden should not be allowed to happen. The situation with Germans being thrown out of their apartments to provide homes for the refugees should not be allowed to happen.If that basic common sense existed at all on the left we could find a reasonable solution to the situation a lot faster.Anyway, I do think Christians should be taking an active role in this. We have nothing to lose. If we die we go to God. But the nation itself could be put in a dangerous situation, and that's Trump's concern.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

There seems to me to be a battle of extremes. Europe has a very serious problem with radicalized Muslims and they are letting everyone in carte blanche. The problem with Trump is he is the extreme to the opposite end of the spectrum who wants to bar everyone that is associated with Islam in any way only on the basis of their faith.As you alluded to, Syria has a sizeable Christian population -- in fact, the Syrians are one of the most ancient Christian sects in existence. Under Trump's plan, it simply bans everyone on the basis that people coming from Syria are more than likely Muslim and so he doesn't want anything to come through.There needs to be a reasonable policy in place that is somewhere in between both extremes -- one that is humanitarian in nature, but also weeds out extremists.

Europe does have a very serious problem which they refuse to acknowledge because of political correctness. Every day something approaching a hundred cars are torched by radical Muslims in France and nothing is done about it, we don't even hear about it. It would be racist or culturally insensitive to mention such a problem.I guess you could say there are two extremes but the thing is there's only Trump representing the other extreme. Who else? Trump wants us to find out which of the refugees present a threat and which don't. Which is common sense. And that's the job of the President, to protect the nation. He doesn't have a plan how to do it though, but that would be a lot to ask of a Presidential candidate on the campaign trail.We could start by admitting all the Christians looking for asylum, there is no reason to exclude them, they aren't going to turn into jihadists.We do need a plan, however, and I do think Christians should be getting involved to the max as I suggested.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes, I agree. In reference to Syrian refugees, yes, it is common sense to ensure they aren't affiliated with terror organizations. The issue with Trump is that he was specific to "banning Muslims" from "Muslim countries." Well, my girlfriend is a Turkish citizen. Turkey is recognized as a Muslim country (even though they have a strong tradition of secularism and probably 2/3 of the population self-identify as secular, including herself). So was Trump referencing Syrians refugees specifically or was he referencing Muslims? Identifying as a Christian doesn't mean you don't have any proclivities to violence. Why are we showing preferential treatment at all? We should be looking at all of them equally. A lot have but I agree that more should be done.

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Every day something approaching a hundred cars are torched by radical Muslims in France...
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Really? Any references for this? According to French insurance companies on average around 20 cars are set on fire in a year. Virtually all done by jealous lovers or people who are desperate for insurance money.Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

We in Europe dont hear about such either - because it does not happen in the scale you claimed.What I find most odd is how do your candidates reconciliate the fact that in the primary phase their opponents are nothing short of devil incarnate and after the election they become so prim and proper? The picture collage about Ben Carson pretty much sums my wondering...

What is missing in the 18-24 months of investigation that it takes to allow a refugee in?Oh, you don't know, you just believe they walk in unimpeded.

While they may not turn in jihadists they may well turn into terrorists, rapists, murderers, conmen, fanatics, bigots, burglars, robbers ...Faith, all of the evidence shows that Muslims are no greater threat than Christians or any other demographic group just as all of the evidence shows that immigrants, illegal or legal, pose no greater threat of physical violence than citizens in general and the general population.

If you don't even hear about it, how do you know about it? We already have a thorough and elaborate screening process for that, which takes about two years per refugee. That may indeed be common sense. Trump wants to ban all Muslims from entering the country, which is blithering insanity. What if they're already jihadists, but are pretending to be Christians? Terrorists occasionally do naughty things such as telling fibs. This is why we have this elaborate screening process which you would apparently like to waive for anyone who says the magic word "Jesus".

Islam teaches violence even though most Muslims don't follow it that far. But because it does there is always the potential for Muslims to get radicalized by following it strictly. That's what is happening. Christianity doesn't teach violence at all. Any proclivities would be personal, individual, and against their religion. Criminal background for anyone should be checked if possible of course.Isn't this obvious?

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Hundreds burned on New Years' and I hadn't even heard about that.Glad to hear about the screening process. All Trump said was "until" we know what is going on with them. So we can hope the screening process works.It shouldn't be too hard to find out by interviewing people which are telling the truth or not.abe: Here's a quote on the Political Correctness factor: Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Interviews of Donald Trump as well as his speeches show that he does not tell the truth and in fact seems to prefer not telling the truth yet there seem to be many who cannot tell that he is a inveterate and consummate liar.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

The screening process already existed. Trump (and others) are not satisfied with screening refugees. That's why they add nebulous statements like 'until we understand what's going on'.

Perhaps Trump knows something about the inefficiency of the screening process then. Wouldn't surprise me.