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Message 1 of 478 (780531)
03-16-2016 8:02 AM


Since the once "Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread" has been poisoned to the point of being a useless ghost of its former self let us attempt to resurrect its utility by abandoning that steaming pile of feculence to its droppings and continue the worthy original purpose of that thread in a new home.
Dr. A's OP:
quote:
I keep looking at the sodding calendar. I am fairly certain that it's early 2015. The presidential election, I keep looking it up, is in November 2016. And yet people keep telling me that the primary season is upon us. I think the whole world has gone mad.
And yet, here we are. Here we fucking are. God help us all.
So, once again, this is the thread for discussing the primaries, and if you even think we should be doing so at this point, then may you be cursed with a thousand plagues and may angry wombats eat your underwear. Nonetheless ... here we are.
I shall write my customary bitterly sarcastic synopsis of the candidates at the first moment when I've recovered from the concept that we should even be thinking about this crap right now.
A worthy venture requiring resurrection.
The last germane on-topic post from the sewer pit of that befouled lost thread:
quote:
3/16 - 1 am Eastern
Donald - 621 delegates pledged
Ted - 395
Marco - 168
John - 138
Marco Rubio has dropped out of the race after losing his home state, Florida.
John Kasich won his home state, Ohio, but trails the delegate count badly.
Donald Trump now has more than half the 1237 delegates needed for nomination already pledged to him.
Hillary - 1094 pledged with another 467 super delegates in support
Bernie - 774 pledged with 26 supers in support
At 1561 pledged and support delegates Hillary now has more than half the 2382 delegates needed for nomination.
With the Democrat leadership fully on board, barring a Bernie-led miracle (2405 delegates still to be selected), Hillary will win the Democratic Party nomination.
The Republican leadership, however, is not so well enamored of their lead candidate and are, so rumor has it, maneuvering (1136 delegates still to be selected) to prevent a first ballot win at the convention thus releasing the majority of delegates from their pledges to specific candidates and into a brokered convention.
This is gonna be fun.
Let us continue our discussions here unfettered by the offal of the older abode.
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Message 5 of 478 (780539)
03-16-2016 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by jar
03-16-2016 9:26 AM


Re: if there is an Anyone but il Donald vote...
...this might foreshadow a brokered convention...
And should this happen we can expect the Trump officials to issue statements saying that Trump supporters really shouldn't riot like that outside the convention hall even though mightily provoked like not having their man immediately anointed on the first ballot.

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Message 15 of 478 (780573)
03-17-2016 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by anglagard
03-16-2016 5:43 PM


My Shiny Crown or Your Bloody Nose
Chicago 1968 was a different scenario altogether. Richard Daley, longtime Mayor and kingpin of the corrupt democratic political machine in Cook County, was a delegate to the convention and was embarrassed that the hippies were demonstrating, peacefully, around the convention center and the Democratic Headquarters. These were, after all, commie anti-Vietnam War renegades and street thugs that had no place in despoiling his great city and his personal shining moment on national TV. Mayor Daley ordered his police to clear the demonstrators from the streets and confine them to a city park a few blocks up the street.
The police riot that ensued, and yes it was the police that erupted in violent rioting, brutally clubbing, gassing and beating the demonstrators and the media (carrying their cameras and wearing jackets and armbands reading "PRESS") and anyone else standing in the vicinity, was watched in horror all across the country in realtime.
The difference with the potential action in Cleveland this summer will be that the Trump supporters, who are known, have a history, to precipitate violence at the merest suggestion from their demagogue leader (a suggestion already given) will erupt into violence if Trump is denied his shiny crown.
The bad news is that the rioting in 1968 destroyed the Democratic party leading to the election of Richard Nixon. The good news is that the same could destroy the Republican party in 2016 leading to the election of anyone other than Trump or Cruz, and (we can dream) rip the Senate out of Republican hands in the meantime.
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Edited by AZPaul3, : speln

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Message 17 of 478 (780588)
03-17-2016 1:06 PM
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03-17-2016 9:58 AM


Re: Let's stroll down memory lane.
Good God, I remember the Daisy Spot. The other one, Confessions of a Republican, I never saw. But the Daisy Spot ... that hit home.
I was much too young to vote but coming off the Kennedy assassination and the live murder of Oswald on TV, that Spot reinforced the fact that this was a violent and evil world I was living in. A few years later I was in Vietnam. Yeah, it all runs together.
Thanks for resurrecting a nightmare.

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Message 18 of 478 (780609)
03-17-2016 8:53 PM


The Sage of Foreign Policy
Donald details his foreign policy team:
quote:
"I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things. I know what I'm doing, and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people, and at the appropriate time I'll tell you who the people are. But my primary consultant is myself and I have, you know, a good instinct for this stuff."
Oh, yes! This man needs to be given the football, the button and the keys to the kingdom.
source
Should this have been in Humor?
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Message 24 of 478 (780672)
03-18-2016 4:24 PM
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03-18-2016 12:22 PM


Re: The Sage of Foreign Policy
Donald Trump writes:
...I have a very good brain....
Maybe he should use that one instead of his own.
Though he carries it with him it's not where can get to it.

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Message 32 of 478 (780775)
03-20-2016 4:47 PM
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03-20-2016 11:16 AM


Re: Chicago 68, Cleveland 16
Guess who gets to be president?
Oh, good. Another nightmare scenario to sweat blood over. And a realistic one. Thanks NoNukes. I hope you have a wonderful rest of the fucken day.

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Message 33 of 478 (780776)
03-20-2016 5:35 PM
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03-20-2016 11:32 AM


Re: Chicago 68, Cleveland 16
Keep in mind that in the House the election is done by State. Each state has only one vote. A large republican state with a large number of electors can be nullified by a small Democratic state with far fewer electors. A majority of the states chooses the president, not a majority of the members of the whole House.
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Message 35 of 478 (780778)
03-20-2016 6:48 PM
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Re: Chicago 68, Cleveland 16
Right.
Now, if the senate swings over to the democrats we could end up with a republican as President and a democrat as Vice-president.

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Message 37 of 478 (780782)
03-20-2016 10:57 PM


Republicans To Battle Trump
Republican leaders and their big-league operatives across the nation met to plan an all-out fight to defeat Trump preparing a 100-day battle plan to keep Trump from the party's nomination. The New York Times is reporting the various groups plan on coordinating efforts "starting with an aggressive battle in Wisconsin’s April 5 primary and extending into the summer, with a delegate-by-delegate lobbying effort that would cast Mr. Trump as a calamitous choice for the general election." NYT is calling this "the political equivalent of guerrilla fighting."
Problem: The group can not agree on who to support. Cruz is an obvious choice but the leadership, especially from the senate side despise the man and can not, will not, work with him. Kasich does not have the conservative and party credentials the group is looking for and is seen as a light-weight in the general election. Talks continue.
If this effort fails to deny Trump the nomination there is talk of a national concerted effort to launch an independent run for some main-stream traditional conservative Republican candidate (Rick Perry, Michael Bloomberg ?) as well as maybe hijacking a third party (Libertarians do not select their candidate until late May) to get a traditional Republican on the ballot nationally.
This is the sound of the Republican Party fracturing. That big gaping hole that so many feared would develop in the party has now split wide open and that split is not just in the leadership but cuts right through the grass-roots heart of the party. How many of the big Republican elite will remain with the GOP while the rest of traditional republicanism strikes out for some third party bid remains to be seen but what used to be the Republican party will not recover from this for many years to come.
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Message 56 of 478 (780835)
03-23-2016 7:55 AM


More Numbers
Wednesday 3/23 7:30 am Eastern
Donald: 58 delegates for total 739
Ted: 40 for 465
John: 0 for 143
944 remaining delegates to be chosen. 1237 needed to win
------
Hillary: 51 for 1681
Bernie: 57 for 927
(includes super delegates)
2157 delegates remaining. 2383 to win

  
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Message 58 of 478 (780840)
03-23-2016 8:53 PM
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03-23-2016 11:47 AM


Re: Republicans To Battle Trump
I hope you realize Blue Jay had his tongue firmly planted in his cheek when he wrote that.
Or did he?

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Message 108 of 478 (781034)
03-30-2016 9:59 AM


Topic Reminder
Yes, the presidential primaries.
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Message 172 of 478 (781189)
04-01-2016 7:22 PM


Wisconsin is Coming
Hey, folks, I have a request.
While the actions and history of the candidates, who’s a criminal, who’s a jerk and the like (and even what constitutes such characterizations) are quite appropriate topics in this thread, the ever on-going squabble this discussion has devolved into is not.
This has gone full circle twice that I can count. Opinions have been expressed, challenged and responded. Evidence has been presented, challenged and responded. Multiple times. If you are compelled to go on yet another set of cycles then please take it to a different thread.
The Wisconsin primaries are coming up Tuesday next. There is a concerted effort by a large group of Republican insiders attempting to derail the Trump juggernaut in Wisconsin and the level of success they have (or not) will be vital to the remainder of the Republican primary season and the resultant nomination. I do not want the results lost in the detritus of this level of discussion.
Thus my request. Please take your fucking war crimes and your fucking dueling dictionaries and get the hell off my thread!
Much appreciated.
Thank you.

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