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Phat
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Message 31 of 591 (780928)
03-28-2016 2:18 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by jar
03-27-2016 7:37 PM


God Unplugged
jar writes:
What makes you think Stephen is not speaking of a God he created?
What is the evidence of an intimate relationship with the Creator of all seen and unseen?
Evidence Phat.
the story mentions that Stephens face shown like that on an angel, and also reports that those who heard Stephen became enraged. Seems to me that if Stephen was only talking about a god he created, nobody would have much cared.
jar,from long ago writes:
First, good and evil are a Human construct and a relative determination that we make. The Bible itself says that God creates both good and evil. God is complete.
Second, there are no full and complete descriptions of GOD to be found in the Bible. Instead, what we find are different individual views, characterizations, word pictures that try to describe the concept, GOD.
Third, the different stories in the Bible follow along the same pattern as all Epic Tales and Fables. The stories themselves are meant to convey a message. In some cases it was to found an identity, in others to set social norms and still others are meant to teach some moral.
So in your opinion, what message was the story of Stephen versus Sanhedrin mean't to convey? What were the sides involved in this human conflict? And why did Saul flip a 180 and switch sides? (As far as Saul/Pauls transformation, i'll give you that many of us...though we have been changed, largely still have our soulish traits. You still carry the arrogance that made yiou quit college. I still prefer fantasy over reality at times, though in my defense I am allowed to have beliefs without being declared WRONG by people who have only some alleged facts and not a majority vote.(For example, there is controversy over when the Bible was written, who wrote certain Chapters, and a host of other disputes.) You are a learned Bible teacher...I'll give you that. I disagree with you in that you place too much faith in human wisdom...logic, reason, and "reality" and don't have any doubt that humans either MUST be capable of good on their own or else God HAS to be evil. Not everything can be proven with evidence but why does this negate a rational belief?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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jar
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Message 32 of 591 (780933)
03-28-2016 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Phat
03-28-2016 2:18 AM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
the story mentions that Stephens face shown like that on an angel, and also reports that those who heard Stephen became enraged. Seems to me that if Stephen was only talking about a god he created, nobody would have much cared.
Just as you get upset when I talk of the Christian myth or the marketing of Christianity, Stephen was attacking a strongly held belief system.
Phat writes:
So in your opinion, what message was the story of Stephen versus Sanhedrin mean't to convey?
The story was part of creating a Christian Mythos, a tale of good versus evil, us versus them. Classic propaganda written after the facts but still close enough for the issues to still be fresh.
Look at the US Films made between 1908 and 1912 about the US Civil War for a parallel.
Phat writes:
I disagree with you in that you place too much faith in human wisdom...logic, reason, and "reality" and don't have any doubt that humans either MUST be capable of good on their own or else God HAS to be evil.
But what do we have other than logic, reason and reality? and I have never claimed "that humans either MUST be capable of good on their own or else God HAS to be evil." so stop trying to assert I believe stuff YOU think I believe.
Phat writes:
And why did Saul flip a 180 and switch sides?
We will never know but there are several versions of the story and each involves some kind of spiritual event.
Phat writes:
I am allowed to have beliefs without being declared WRONG by people who have only some alleged facts and not a majority vote.
But Phat, actually there is a majority vote on most of this stuff as well as lots of evidence on one side and only tradition, shaky tradition, on the other side. It's fine to hold a belief that runs counter to all the evidence but we should be aware that such a belief is held in spite of the evidence.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Phat
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Message 33 of 591 (780953)
03-28-2016 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by jar
03-28-2016 9:03 AM


Re: God Unplugged
jar writes:
stop trying to assert I believe stuff YOU think I believe.
Keep in mind that regarding the marketing of Christianity, we all are marketeers.
jar writes:
What you(GDR) market is different than what Phat markets and what Faith markets and what I market. Christianity is not set in stone, has evolved and changed over time and will continue to evolve and change. It has been a force for good as well as one of the destructive forces of all time.
I do not wish to misrepresent you. Of all of the people at EvC, I believe that I understand your beliefs better than anyone else and if i make an incorrect assertion or two, it is not intended to slander or misrepresent you. In this topic, we all have the opportunity to again present our beliefs and our versions of what Christianity is, isn't, should or should not be as WE see it. So allow me to comment on what I think you believe and what you market. If I am wrong, please correct me and I shall also do the same to any of you who challenge and question my beliefs.
Regarding your beliefs as stated here at EvC, I agree with some of them and disagree with some of them. Nearly all of the other self proclaimed Christians at this forum have gotten exasperated with you and called you out as to whether you even were a Christian...I know i have been guilty of this.
The reasons for this are largely because of what I have been taught.
jar writes:
Stop listening to them what try to sell the proof texts and mined little quotes taken out of context. If they give you the passage you quoted above make them also provide all the other versions of the story and determine who actually wrote them (if possible) and when they got written (usually easier).
Keep in mind that this method of critical thinking is not easy for me to use when discussing my sincere deeply held religious beliefs---but I feel comfortable enough at this forum that I can now do it. For many years I could'nt.
Let me just say that I have my limits. I would never allow myself to be taught Christianity by an atheist. This does not mean that I do not respect atheists nor do I regard them as any less of a person than a believer--in fact, many of the atheist critical thinkers(some at this forum) whom I have encountered are much more intelligent than most of the Christians--in my particular chapter, anyway.
One of our members, a self avowed Christian who recently left the forum, (I have faith she will return, however ) is quite knowledgeable regarding church history..but I do not think that she represents Christianity the way that Jesus would want her to. If anyone new to our forum was reading one of her debates where she gets frustrated, they would wonder why it was even worth it to become a Christian. To be fair, I too have occasionally given Jesus a bad rap through my behavior. I quite honestly believe that evil exists and is potentially like a virus to the human soul. Of course God set it up this way. I believe that God created the possibility of evil, that angelic beings first actualized this possibility and later on humans inherited the virus. You have talked about Original Sin and IIRC you detested the product.
jar writes:
The concept of "Original Sin" was a brilliant marketing ploy, but not much else. I, for one, often do things that have no selfish motive I can discern and history is replete with other examples. It really is that simple.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you believe that humans were given an awareness of the difference between good & evil and the responsibility to choose properly. I of course was always taught that we are sinners by nature and that only through Jesus sacrifice are we even able to become holy.(or at least polite ) I will say that I agree with you regarding the necessity of personal responsibility and I also agree with you in that much of what is marketed teaches people to place the blame on Satan, a sinful nature, or perhaps a disease.
jar writes:
The basis of Christianity as I know it is a requirement to try to do what is right, to try to help others, to act as stewards. It's "do unto others as you wish they would do unto you" not "do unto others as they do unto you" or "do unto others as you think they will do unto you".
It's not often making big sacrifices or doing big things but it is trying to do what is right within your power, your environment, your ethos. It's not for reward or compensation, but just because it needs doing.
I always jokingly refer to you as "The Apostle To The Atheists" because quite frankly a person is not even required to be a believer in any sort of God in order to fulfill this mandate. And Frankly I respect and agree with this mandate...the difference being that I need prayer and communion with God on a daily basis.
Here is a question: What is the difference between a man who believes in God yet admits he is likely wrong regarding his understanding, and an agnostic?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 34 of 591 (780958)
03-28-2016 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by jar
03-28-2016 9:03 AM


How do You Know its God?
jar writes:
But what do we have other than logic, reason and reality?
I don't believe that we humans find God...Although one could argue that many make up a God to suit them. I believe that God finds us. I believe that GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen...has a desire to have a relationship with humanity. Of course this does not negate our personal responsibility to and for each other---if anything it enhances it.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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jar
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Message 35 of 591 (780959)
03-28-2016 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
03-28-2016 5:32 PM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Here is a question: What is the difference between a man who believes in God yet admits he is likely wrong regarding his understanding, and an agnostic?
Belief.
It really is that simple.
An agnostic says they have no idea whether or not there is a god or any belief one way or the other.
I believe that there is a GOD, a creator of that that is, seen and unseen, but I also know that there have been many other God(s) and god(s) asserted to exist over time. And so honesty must also play a part.
In addition, as I have pointed out, even assertions far too often taken as meaningful like "The God of the Bible" really fall apart when the actual evidence is examined. The God described in Genesis 1 is entirely different than the God described in Genesis 2&3 or the God(s) found in the New Testament.
So honestly, I must admit that I have a very high likelihood of being wrong.
Is there any reason to think the God I might worship is more likely than Ganesha?
Isn't it far more likely that ALL of the God(s) and god(s) we can talk about really are only creations of the human mind, caricatures perhaps of some reality but no more accurate than a landscape of a place the artist never even visited?
Religions are paths, guides. Some basics as you point out seem to be common even outside religion. Aren't those commonalities the things we really can use to improve THIS life, do do for the least of these?
Phat writes:
I of course was always taught that we are sinners by nature and that only through Jesus sacrifice are we even able to become holy.(or at least polite)
But what does the evidence show?
Do the followers of Jesus behave better than the Buddhists, the Muslims, the Taoists, the Hindus, the Atheists, the Agnostics?
AbE:
Phat writes:
I don't believe that we humans find God...Although one could argue that many make up a God to suit them. I believe that God finds us. I believe that GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen...has a desire to have a relationship with humanity. Of course this does not negate our personal responsibility to and for each other---if anything it enhances it.
I find that position revolting, disgusting, symptomatic of a vile evil God that should be opposed.
You are welcome to that God but I cannot imagine anyone worshiping such a creature.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 36 of 591 (780960)
03-28-2016 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Phat
03-28-2016 5:32 PM


Re: God Unplugged
What is the difference between a man who believes in God yet admits he is likely wrong regarding his understanding, and an agnostic
Theist and Atheist is about belief....
agnostic is about knowledge
There are agnostic theists and agnostic atheists.

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Phat
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Message 37 of 591 (780961)
03-28-2016 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by jar
03-28-2016 8:07 PM


Re: God Unplugged
jar writes:
Is there any reason to think the God I might worship is more likely than Ganesha?
Is there any reason to think that at least one person on this entire planet is at least more likely to actually know and be in communion with the Creator of all seen and unseen and is not creating a God in their own mind?
Isn't it far more likely that ALL of the God(s) and god(s) we can talk about really are only creations of the human mind, caricatures perhaps of some reality but no more accurate than a landscape of a place the artist never even visited?
Likely but not absolutely necessary. I can think of at least one human in History who actually had the correct God in mind. Of course this too is only my belief....there would be no way to prove such an assertion.
Phat writes:
I don't believe that we humans find God...Although one could argue that many make up a God to suit them. I believe that God finds us. I believe that GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen...has a desire to have a relationship with humanity. Of course this does not negate our personal responsibility to and for each other---if anything it enhances it.
jar writes:
I find that position revolting, disgusting, symptomatic of a vile evil God that should be opposed.
Quite a passionate response! Care to fully explain why?
I have a hunch that this ties in with the belief you have expressed that you don't want anyone "paying your debt" or "saving" you. The old honor system rears its ugly head. Only a vain and proud man would resist admitting that they need any help in my mind. But of course I'm not indicting you. I recall when i got myself into debt due to a gambling addiction and was encouraged by you to pay it all back---even though I would have had nothing for the rest of my life. When I instead chose to seek relief from a bankruptcy court I lost a lot of your respect. (I felt so, anyway) For the record i agree with personal responsibility but if the king forgives my debt I would be foolish to refuse His help. There is even a parable about that somewhere.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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jar
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Message 38 of 591 (780962)
03-28-2016 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Phat
03-28-2016 10:15 PM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Is there any reason to think that at least one person on this entire planet is at least more likely to actually know and be in communion with the Creator of all seen and unseen and is not creating a God in their own mind?
None that I can think of and no way to even test to see if that was possible.
Phat writes:
Likely but not absolutely necessary. I can think of at least one human in History who actually had the correct God in mind. Of course this too is only my belief....there would be no way to prove such an assertion.
But many, many, many folk have made that same claim.
Phat writes:
Quite a passionate response! Care to fully explain why?
I have a hunch that this ties in with the belief you have expressed that you don't want anyone "paying your debt" or "saving" you. The old honor system rears its ugly head. Only a vain and proud man would resist admitting that they need any help in my mind. But of course I'm not indicting you. I recall when i got myself into debt due to a gambling addiction and was encouraged by you to pay it all back---even though I would have had nothing for the rest of my life. When I instead chose to seek relief from a bankruptcy court I lost a lot of your respect. (I felt so, anyway) For the record i agree with personal responsibility but if the king forgives my debt I would be foolish to refuse His help. There is even a parable about that somewhere.
It has nothing to do with responsibility of humans, rather it is that God's responsibility that is at issue.
If a God really were the creator of all, seen and unseen, and then only "finds" some select few, then that God is evil beyond imagination.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Phat
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Message 39 of 591 (780963)
03-28-2016 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by jar
03-28-2016 10:26 PM


Re: God Unplugged
If a God really were the creator of all, seen and unseen, and then only "finds" some select few, then that God is evil beyond imagination.
Note that i said "humanity"...I did NOT say some of humanity. The warlord has enough for everyone but it is the individuals right to eat or not to eat.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 40 of 591 (780964)
03-29-2016 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Asgara
03-28-2016 8:13 PM


Re: God Unplugged
Asgara writes:
Theist and Atheist is about belief....
agnostic is about knowledge
There are agnostic theists and agnostic atheists.
Do you personally believe largely the same as you did ten years ago, or have some of the experiences in your life--trials and tribulations--people whom you have met---increased,decreased,or changed your personal beliefs in any significant way?
I know that when my father had cancer, he avoided attending church because he didn't want people feeling "sorry" for him and making a big fuss over his daily battle. His faith was very personal--What I saw in him, though were his selfless actions on behalf of his family. He never complained about his condition (Lymphoma) which taught me that one could be a person of faith without relying on church in general. To me, he was a person of faith because he always thought of his family first--he never complained though he was at times in great pain. He ultimately passed at age 60--far too young, in my opinion. It makes me wonder what people who have life threatening diseases such as Cancer think about God in general.
Edited by Phat, : appalin spallin
Edited by Phat, : better link

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 41 of 591 (780965)
03-29-2016 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by jar
03-28-2016 8:07 PM


Re: God Unplugged
jar writes:
Do the followers of Jesus behave better than the Buddhists, the Muslims, the Taoists, the Hindus, the Atheists, the Agnostics?
I cannot speak in general, but only specifically. Each individual has a personal story and a personal experience in their lives. It is true that many who call themselves Christian behave quite un-Christlike. It is also true that many of the other groups are in fact Christlike despite having no belief in Him.
Two scriptures come to mind.
1 Corinthians 13:1 writes:
- If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
As I have said before, there have been many Christians at this forum who knew lots of scripture yet who did not seem to have love. God is love. I pray that we all receive a bigger dose of this. Hate is itself a cancer. The Holy Spirit is an effective antidote.
John 10:16 writes:
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.
It appears that even in John there is support for Matthew 25!
Matthew 25:32 writes:
All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
I never understood why people disrespect the gospel Of John.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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jar
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Message 42 of 591 (780966)
03-29-2016 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Phat
03-28-2016 10:30 PM


Re: God Unplugged
Phat writes:
Note that i said "humanity"...I did NOT say some of humanity. The warlord has enough for everyone but it is the individuals right to eat or not to eat.
That is not what you said.
Here is what you said in context.
quote:
I don't believe that we humans find God...Although one could argue that many make up a God to suit them. I believe that God finds us. I believe that GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen...has a desire to have a relationship with humanity.
Reread what you wrote and see if you can identify what I find so objectionable.
Phat writes:
I never understood why people disrespect the gospel Of John.
To say that the author of John was a revisionist or that the Gospel of John presents a different Jesus myth than the other Gospels is not being disrespectful; it is simply acknowledging the facts.
Edited by jar, : respond to question about John.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 43 of 591 (780967)
03-29-2016 8:59 AM
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03-29-2016 8:50 AM


Re: God Unplugged
jar writes:
Reread what you wrote and see if you can identify what I find so objectionable.
All that I can see is the idea that God finds us. You may disagree with the belief that we are "lost" by default...though John seems to suggest that the sheep need a shepherd.
You may argue that it is about what we do and that in this context an atheist, for example, is not lost as long as they are doing for others. Am I close?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 44 of 591 (780968)
03-29-2016 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by jar
03-26-2016 12:57 PM


Re: Christianity 101
jar writes:
How does someone know they have a relationship of any kind or duration or interval with God?
Have you ever prayed for evidence?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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jar
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Message 45 of 591 (780969)
03-29-2016 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Phat
03-29-2016 8:59 AM


Re: God Unplugged
You said:
quote:
I don't believe that we humans find God...Although one could argue that many make up a God to suit them. I believe that God finds us. I believe that GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen...has a desire to have a relationship with humanity.
Creator of all seen and unseen.
Why would that God seek out humanity or worse yet, certain humans, instead of pond scum?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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