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crashfrog
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Message 16 of 46 (78117)
01-12-2004 10:10 PM
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01-12-2004 9:42 PM


If scientists feel a rock was launched from Mars, guess its not much of a reach to feel rocks were launched from earth, etc...
Mars has a third of the gravity. Plus it's obvious that Mars was hit by something very, very large - so large it bulged out the solar system's tallest mountain on the other side of the planet.
I'd say there's a big difference between launching stuff off these two planets.

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Message 17 of 46 (78122)
01-12-2004 11:01 PM
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01-12-2004 10:10 PM


I kind of wonder about with the earth travelling 60,000 miles around the sun, with the fountains of the deep erupting continually, they would of only had to launch rocks into a lower orbit, with the waters continually erupting supersonically heated waters upward, over 40 days, would likely to continue to continually press the rocks into orbits farther and farther into increasing orbits, like your talking pretty hot waters, that would of continually pressed outward, etc... with the moon also attracting pulling till rocks escaped, being too small to remain in orbit, on the trailing side, as the earth continued to press on at 60,000 mph, the rocks got left behind, etc...
P.S. This is only a theory, though, perhaps they actually were small enough to have gotten launched and only seem bigger because like a snow ball the water condensated around the rock, but don't the esteemed scientist believe their is dust from the earth on the moon, go figure, if they believe the solar winds can actually cause dust to escape the earth, guess its not much of a reach for water to press upward, pressing outward, pushing rocks into increasing orbits until the size of the rocks were too small to remain in orbit, etc...

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crashfrog
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Message 18 of 46 (78124)
01-12-2004 11:06 PM
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01-12-2004 11:01 PM


like your talking pretty hot waters
Yeah, we know. Hot enought to steam-sterilize the Earth - including Noah and his little Ark.
on the trailing side, as the earth continued to press on at 60,000 mph, the rocks got left behind, etc...
That's not how it works. If the rocks leave an Earth going 60,000 mph, then they keep going 60,000 mph. This is basic physics - "objects in motion stay in motion until acted upon by an outside force."
guess its not much of a reach for water to press upward, pressing outward, pushing rocks into increasing orbits until the size of the rocks were too small to remain in orbit, etc...
A vertical stream is not going to put anything in orbit. When the steam falls off what you put up is coming right back down. (You have no idea how stuff gets into orbit, do you?)

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Message 19 of 46 (78125)
01-12-2004 11:21 PM
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01-12-2004 11:06 PM


Not if they got launched into a lower orbit, the water would of erupted upward, as it cooled it would of rained back to the earth, the earth wouldn't of over heated, along the pacific antartic & south Indian ridge it would of pressed upward almost continually for 40 days and nights, it would of only need to launch rocks into an initial lower orbit, then it would of continually pressed rocks into increasing orbits, with the moon as another outside force, these rocks eventually got left behind as the earth continued onward, etc...
http://pubs.usgs.gov/publications/text/baseball.html

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crashfrog
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Message 20 of 46 (78126)
01-12-2004 11:25 PM
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01-12-2004 11:21 PM


these rocks eventually got left behind as the earth continued onward, etc..
Nothing's going to be left behind. Space isn't like falling out of the back of your bud's pickup and having him drive off. In space, if you fall out of the back of the pickup at 55 mph, you keep going at 55 mph. You don't fall behind the pickup until the pickup starts going faster. (Ignoring the fact that in space there's nothing for the pickup to dive on.)
Why do I get the feeling that everything you know about space and orbital mechanics, you learned from saturday morning cartoons? Did you even read the basic physical law I posted above? Here it is, one more time: An object in motion tends to stay in motion until acted upon by an outside force.

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Message 21 of 46 (78128)
01-12-2004 11:40 PM
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01-12-2004 11:25 PM


It might be that it was moving 60,000 mph, and got taken over by the suns gravitation, explaining the origin of the asteroid fields, like didn't those scientists bounce voyager off of jupiter, saturn, to sling it in a different direction, think your probably right the rocks tended to want to go straight causing these rocks every orbit to press into increasing orbits, until it eventually went straight as these rocks escaped earths gravitation, explaining the asteroid fields, where the sun recaptured these rocks(another outside force), explaining the location of the asteroid belt, etc...
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Message 22 of 46 (78130)
01-12-2004 11:50 PM
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01-12-2004 11:25 PM


actually, I think that since the rocks were probably smaller than average that when they were tossed into the low orbit the moon AND the sun caught them and tossed them further into a long asteroid orbit because if they didn't then I'm full of shit unless they just fell off the back of the turnip truck going 65 miles per hour, leaving them to head straight away from the truck until they reached low earth orbit at which time the martians and venusians pulled them back and forth with giant magnets (also reversing the earths magnetic fields) until one lost the game and the rock flew farther and ended up in the kuiper belt.

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Message 23 of 46 (78131)
01-12-2004 11:53 PM
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01-12-2004 10:10 PM


quote:
Plus it's obvious that Mars was hit by something very, very large - so large it bulged out the solar system's tallest mountain on the other side of the planet.
You have something to back up that statement?
Moose

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crashfrog
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Message 24 of 46 (78132)
01-12-2004 11:54 PM
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01-12-2004 11:40 PM


where the sun recaptured these rocks(another outside force), explaining the location of the asteroid belt, etc...
The asteroid belt represents enough mass to be a significantly-sized planet. You're saying that the "fountains of the deep" blasted off one planet's worth of material? And Noah survived this somehow? How come Noah doesn't mention that the Earth's gravity suddenly decreased by as much as maybe 1/2?
Also, the asteriod belt is farther out from the Sun than the Earth. (It's out past Mars.) If it was suddenly grabbed by the sun's gravity,why would it keep moving out? Why wouldn't it go towards the sun?

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crashfrog
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Message 25 of 46 (78135)
01-12-2004 11:59 PM
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01-12-2004 11:53 PM


You have something to back up that statement?
That Olympus Mons is the highest mountain in the solar system? Or the bit about its formation? I thought I had heard that. I'll look up a link after work tonight or else I'll retract it, I promise.

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Message 26 of 46 (78136)
01-13-2004 12:05 AM
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01-12-2004 11:50 PM


What caused the asteroid fields, are the bigger asteroids really solid rock & water, etc...Where did all the water of Mars go, are the asteroid fields just solid rocks center with a frozen water shell, though it does seem they fear one of these will veer out of orbit off jupiters gravitation, where one could actually hit the earth, in fact the bible predicts one of these stars will, etc...
P.S. All the asteroids may not of come from the earth, perhaps some of the bigger ones actually came from Mars, you have scientists finding Martian meteors hitting the earth, etc.. from the believed effects of the gravity of Jupiter veering some of the asteroids into a different orbit, is why these new orbits brings some asteroids to be passing by the earth.
The rocks of the earth would of tended to be wanting to go straight in the direction the earth was moving, prevented these rocks from shooting into the sun, and tending to want to be going straight would of caused them to roll out of the earths gravity and move farther away from the sun, toward the asteroid fields, etc...
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Message 27 of 46 (78141)
01-13-2004 12:52 AM
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01-12-2004 11:59 PM


Olympus Mons
Yup, Olympus Mons is the biggest mountain in the solar system (known). I've not heard of any formation by impact though. It sits on the Tharsis bulge but I thought that was also volcanic.

Common sense isn't

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Message 28 of 46 (78212)
01-13-2004 12:27 PM
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01-13-2004 12:05 AM


quote:
though it does seem they fear one of these will veer out of orbit off jupiters gravitation, where one could actually hit the earth, in fact the bible predicts one of these stars will, etc...
The things in the asteroid belt are not stars.

"Knowledge is Power" - Francis Bacon

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Message 29 of 46 (78218)
01-13-2004 12:53 PM


Three brief items:
No main-belt asteroids are known that contain any significant amount of water - certainly not as ice.
Mars's former water likely is either 1) tied up in chemical combination in Mars's crust 2) frozen in the subsurface as ice and/or 3) dissociated to hydrogen and oxygen by ultraviolet light from the Sun and escaped off into space.
No living bacteria have been found in pristine meteorites, only in ones with a high likleyhood (how do you spell that word??) of contamination on the ground. The Martian meteorite "nannofossils" are still being debated, but look like they can be explained better by inorganic processes.

  
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Message 30 of 46 (78226)
01-13-2004 1:36 PM
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01-13-2004 12:27 PM


The wandering stars are the planets, but would include the comets, asteroids for they reflect light, too, they are stars as much as are the planets, etc...
P.S. The bible confirm's that the earth will be hit by one of these stars, that it will have the key to the bottomless pit, the mountains will be leveled, the atmosphere will roll back, men will hide in dens in the earth and in the rocks of the mountains, etc...(kjv Rev 6:12-15 & Rev 9:1-2, 6:13)
If everyone decided to go hide, they must of been warned by the scientists that the earth is going to be hit, these stars(asteroid or comet) coming toward the earth, if they didn't see the stars coming to the earth, why hide in the rocks of the mountains, probably afraid of the waters of the oceans, super mile high waves if they would hit in the ocean, etc...
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