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Message 141 of 478 (781103)
03-31-2016 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by Modulous
03-31-2016 8:11 PM


Re: Hillary and Iraq?
Mod writes:
I am really trying to figure out Hilary's appeal. Whether or not she's *Evil*, I don't see why she is beating Sanders who is running a considerably less slick but more realistic Obama type run.
There are a whole bunch of reasons; the Clinton political machine has been around a long time and is well organized and has a diverse political background as a Governor of Arkansas and twice elected President and as a Senator from New York and Secretary of State as well as both being Yale lawyers.
Sanders is a Senator from New Hampshire, a state many folk couldn't find on a map; kinda like being the caretaker at the Inns of Court and City Yeomanry Museum. Plus he's a SOCIALIST. Plus he is a JEW. Plus he is OLD. and he is also an OLD SOCIALIST JEW. And he works on Rosh Hashanah and he is an OLD SOCIALIST JEW and they are all COMMIES.

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Message 150 of 478 (781146)
04-01-2016 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by Modulous
04-01-2016 4:50 AM


Re: Hillary and Iraq?
I don't think many here would consider the US Afghanistan and Iraq invasions as anything but stupid but I'm not sure they rise to the level needed to create a Nuremberg scenario.
BUT, there is absolutely no doubt that the US (and other Nations) have behaved in exactly the same manner as Japan, Germany and Italy did in the decades before and through WWII. A don't think there is any doubt a Nuremberg scenario could be justified against the US and probably almost every other sovereign nation.
I'd go so far as to claim (and I believe it easily supported) that the only organization that has been more effective at territorial expansion by conquest and genocide than the US has been Christianity.

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Message 159 of 478 (781166)
04-01-2016 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Modulous
04-01-2016 2:30 PM


Re: Hillary and Iraq?
Mod writes:
I assume there's some sense to be made from this, but I'm a little foggy. I think you might be thinking of stuff like 'crimes against humanity' and 'war crimes'. Leaving those aside for a minute if it was an invasion of a sovereign state without the consent of the UN when not in self defence (pre-emptive is ruled out in this case) then it was a war of aggression and a crime against peace.
Actually all of the above. The US certainly has been involved in many Wars of Aggression, in Florida under Andrew Jackson when it was a Spanish State, in Hawaii even after we had guaranteed the continuation of the Sovereign Monarchy there, against Mexico, against Columbia to create Panama for the canal, against Iran to overthrow the duly elected President and install the Shah, many times in Nicaragua (look up William Walker as a private possibly non-governmental example), in the Dominican Republic to seize banks and secure debts owed to the US, again and again and again and again in Honduras and Nicaragua, in Guatemala (in 1921 to overthrow the government that wanted to Tax United Fruit Company), in the Congo in 1960 and South Vietnam three years later and Brazil the very next year, and Chile in 1973.
But there is also the Genocide against the Native Americans and the long time second class sanctions against blacks and Latinos and other groups. We sent gunships to Japan and China to force trade agreements.
The US has been really really effective in such practices.

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Message 161 of 478 (781169)
04-01-2016 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by Modulous
04-01-2016 3:13 PM


Re: Hillary and Iraq?
Mod writes:
The point is, if Hillary is to be thought of as being guilty of the exact same crime (though more mitigation, less aggravating circumstances etc), is she really President material?
In the US? Eminently qualified.
AbE:
Please let me expand on that.
Il Donald comes across as a grade school playground bully. Nasty individual but they usually wilt when anyone actually stands up to them.
Hilary though is the real thing, quiet, brilliant, patient with a long, long memory and world wide connections, one that does not need bluster or even a frown, or have to raise her voice or threaten.
She would make Don Corleone think twice.
Edited by jar, : see AbE:

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Message 163 of 478 (781171)
04-01-2016 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by dronestar
04-01-2016 4:31 PM


Re: It's about war criminal's
No one can be a War Criminal who has not be charged by a duly constituted and recognized court.
Sorry but that is the fact.
Joseph Stalin was not a War Criminal.
Mao Tse Tung was not a War Criminal.
Hilary Clinton is not a War Criminal.
Sorry if reality interferes with your fantasies but them's the facts.

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Message 167 of 478 (781178)
04-01-2016 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Faith
04-01-2016 5:22 PM


Faith writes:
EvC isn't a court of law and in a discussion like this, tp treat Stalin and Mao as if they'd never committed their millions of murders just because they were never brought to trial, is a very strange and dangerous deception. It ought to be possible to discuss the evidence in the case of Hillary without pretending she's innocent enough to be President if she's not.
Perhaps you might have a point if anyone had treated Stalin and Mao as if they'd never committed their millions of murders just because they were never brought to trial, is a very strange and dangerous deception.
But of course, so far that has never happened.
You really need to try to be honest Faith instead of continuously misrepresenting what has been said.

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Message 169 of 478 (781184)
04-01-2016 6:16 PM
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04-01-2016 5:51 PM


Faith writes:
Gosh, a whole new level of nitpicking pedantry, complete with the accusation of liar too.
Understanding, as an American, the basics of the rule of law is not nitpicking or pedantry and there was no accusation of you lying, rather a simple observation of the fact.
To be a criminal (assuming you do believe in the US Constitution and Rules of Law), one must first be tried in a court of law and convicted.

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Message 175 of 478 (781192)
04-01-2016 8:35 PM


as a Liberal what would be preferred?
I wonder what the Democrats would rather run against, Il Donald or some other candidate?

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Message 180 of 478 (781201)
04-01-2016 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by AZPaul3
04-01-2016 10:41 PM


Re: On Wisconsin
AZPaul3 writes:
There has got to be an antidote out there in the stormy waters of this political sea. Certainly the great tide of moderation will arise out of the middle to wash the stupid away. Won't it?
Won't it?
Il Duce was considered an easily controlled buffoon.
Hitler was considered an easily controlled buffoon.
Franois Duvalier was considered an easily controlled buffoon but a good doctor.
Manuel Antonio Noriega was considered an easily controlled buffoon.
Joseph-Desir Mobutu was considered an easily controlled buffoon.

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Message 184 of 478 (781221)
04-02-2016 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 181 by AZPaul3
04-01-2016 11:36 PM


Re: On Wisconsin
AZPaul3 writes:
jar writes:
Il Duce was considered an easily controlled buffoon.
Hitler was considered an easily controlled buffoon.
Franois Duvalier was considered an easily controlled buffoon but a good doctor.
Manuel Antonio Noriega was considered an easily controlled buffoon.
Joseph-Desir Mobutu was considered an easily controlled buffoon.
We will wash it away. Won't we, jar?
Is the whole republic so far gone we can't do that?
We can still do this. Can't we, jar?
Each of the examples I mentioned did get washed away (although there was a Baby Doc too) but the washing was expensive in lives and did take time and in almost every case the voters said "We didn't know!".

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Message 187 of 478 (781236)
04-02-2016 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Phat
04-02-2016 11:17 AM


Re: On Wisconsin
It might be worthwhile reading It Can't Happen Here By Sinclair Lewis (another of those books that should be mandatory reading by 8th grade) which was written in 1935 (note the time frame). Many folk think it is referring to Adolph Hitler but it's far more likely that the target was more home grown, Huey Long, another darling of the conservatives and Bible Christians.
Why are there potential voters in the US today who are not aware of the book or Huey Long?

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Message 210 of 478 (781987)
04-13-2016 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Big_Al35
04-13-2016 5:58 AM


Re: On Wisconsin
Ah, Al. Have you ever voted?
Did you know that in most states in the US you can write in a candidate even if not listed on the ballot?
Did you know that so far there are about 70 declared write-in candidates running for US President in 2016?

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Message 213 of 478 (781990)
04-13-2016 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by Big_Al35
04-13-2016 8:26 AM


US voting practices
Not at all. Feel free but also learn.
In the US there are 7 states where you cannot run as a write in candidate and in 35 other states a write in candidate must file papers to be eligible. The US has 50 states and each state can determine local voting requirements as long as those requirements do not conflict with Federal rules. Things like voting hours and polling locations are determined at even lower levels, often at the city or county level.
As a UK Citizen this US election should be of truly great importance and will very possibly determine many facets of life in the UK in the future.
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Message 215 of 478 (781992)
04-13-2016 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Big_Al35
04-13-2016 9:14 AM


Re: On Wisconsin
BA writes:
It seems odd that you have different laws in different states when it comes to voting for your president. It's like a recipe for manipulation, fraud and dishonesty.
It's a concept called democracy Al, where local folk get to decide locally how they want to proceed.
But wait, there's more.
In the US there is not a two party system. In fact there are quite a few US political parties, with the Republicans and the Democrats being the largest. There are five fairly large parties including a Libertarian, a Green and a Constitution party. There is even the Communist Party USA and has been since 1919 as well as about thirty other currently active parties.
There are also regional parties, often limited to just one state.

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Message 221 of 478 (782004)
04-13-2016 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by Big_Al35
04-13-2016 11:18 AM


On Colorado
BA writes:
So let me get this right; the local people of Colorado decided for themselves, that they are too dumb to vote.
Again, not even close.
Another chance to learn it seems.
Here is the Colorado Republican primary process.
On Tuesday March 1st Republican met in Precinct Caucuses to choose delegates to the county and district assemblies.
Between March 1st and March 26th those delegates vote to elect delegates to the Congressional District and State Conventions.
Between April 2 and April 7th the District conventions held caucuses to select delegates to the State Convention.
April 9th the state convention was held and they chose 13 of the 37 delegates that will go to the Republican National convention where the actual Republican Candidate will be selected.
This process was set up last year in August when the Colorado Republican Executive Committee voted to cancel the traditional Presidential preference Poll at the Precinct Caucuses. In particular the decisions was made that National Convention delegates will not be bound to any candidate.
So yes, the process actually was the process that the Republicans of Colorado selected to determine their input at the Republican National Convention. If it is a rigged process it was not rigged to promote any particular candidate since there were no candidates in August of last year and in fact was rigged so that no possible candidate would get all the votes.
Even after giving the votes to Cruz the Colorado delegates are still unbound and free to support any candidate at the National Republican Convention.
Far from being rigged the Colorado process assures that rigging at the state or local level is impossible.
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