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Message 24 of 52 (781457)
04-04-2016 3:12 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by starlite
04-04-2016 1:15 PM


A Hypothetical Question
starlite writes:

We see everything in time that exists here. How would we know if time did not exist the same or at all out there?

Theoretically, when we look out there through a telescope, we are looking back through time. Is it possible (though not likely) that what we see through that lens is all entirely in the past and that the stars could now have disappeared?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Message 25 of 52 (781459)
04-04-2016 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
02-23-2016 8:47 PM


Wish I May Wish I Might
jar writes:

The recent supernova, SN2016adj, first appeared in the skies here on Earth on February 8 earlier this month. It is located in the nearby galaxy, Centaurus A which is about 11 million light years away from us.
Since we know when the light from this supernova first showed up does this single event set a minimum age of the Universe at at least 11 million years old?

One would think so, if all of the data is correct. Also, I would be interested in your answer to the hypothetical question that i asked starlite.

Theoretically, when we look out there through a telescope, we are looking back through time. Is it possible (though not likely) that what we see through that lens is all entirely in the past and that the stars could now have disappeared?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Message 27 of 52 (781465)
04-04-2016 3:30 PM
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04-04-2016 3:24 PM


Re: Wish I May Wish I Might
I think so. Bigger stars explode for some reason. I'll have to google it to find out why. Basically I always just assumed that some stars exploded and other stars imploded causing black holes.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Message 29 of 52 (781468)
04-04-2016 3:36 PM
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04-04-2016 3:35 PM


Re: Wish I May Wish I Might
Yes.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Message 34 of 52 (781494)
04-04-2016 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by starlite
04-04-2016 4:37 PM


Re: A Hypothetical Question
starlite writes:

Who knows? Could be future for all I know or neither!

As a believer, I will state that God knows. Were i a science teacher, this answer would be insufficient for educating my class, however. Why not ask me some questions? Pretend that you are my teacher.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Message 42 of 52 (781513)
04-04-2016 9:04 PM
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04-04-2016 9:01 PM


Assertions, Beliefs & Facts
Keep in mind, however that starlite believes that God is actual evidence. I believe that through Him all things were created. Thus I agree with starlite in that regard. I think.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Message 43 of 52 (781515)
04-04-2016 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by starlite
04-04-2016 8:44 PM


Re: [/quote]
You learn, I teach.
The best teachers are also students. we all learn and we all can teach.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Message 46 of 52 (781518)
04-04-2016 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by starlite
04-04-2016 9:02 PM


Prove It
My position is that to claim decay existed in the far past you must prove it first. Not assume it.
To be fair, however...a critic could ask you to prove that Jesus created all seen and unseen. How would you prove that?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Message 48 of 52 (781523)
04-04-2016 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by jar
04-04-2016 9:12 PM


Re: Prove It
sorry. Im learning right along with the rest of us.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Message 51 of 52 (781563)
04-05-2016 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by jar
04-04-2016 9:08 PM


Re: Assertions, Beliefs & Facts
Phat writes:


Keep in mind, however that starlite believes that God is actual evidence. I believe that through Him all things were created. Thus I agree with starlite in that regard. I think.

jar writes:

Then neither of you have anything worthwhile to contribute to this thread. Until one of you places god on the table to be examined god is NOT evidence of anything.

Technically I can't "put god on the table"--at least not in the Science Forums. As you know, we often have stimulating and interesting conversations in Faith & Belief or Bible Study Forums. I will keep myself busy over there.

Edited by Phat, : oops


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