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Author Topic:   Bible Codes Prove Evolution!!!
Yaro
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Message 12 of 23 (78150)
01-13-2004 1:55 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-13-2004 1:44 AM


My friend. The Bible Codes are bunk.
You can do it in any big book, War and Peace, Huckleberry Fin, etc. Its a bunch of malarky.
Bible Code - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com

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Yaro
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Message 14 of 23 (78153)
01-13-2004 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-13-2004 2:07 AM


The ELS Codes were debunked, face it.
Here is the actuall study, tell me when YOU read it and UNDERSTOOD IT. Then tell me whos go both sides of the story.
Remember, the one makeing the claim is the one who needs to show the proof. And as of yet the ELS people have failed to provide any.
http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/Chance.pdf
EDIT:
ACK! doed link. Ill scrounge the study back up for you. Check back here. Meanwhile, here is anothor neat page on it:
Dror Bar-Natan: Bible Codes
EDIT AGAIN
hehehe
just thought Id give you a list of links so you can weigh both sides. heheheh
http://www.math.caltech.edu/code/petition.html
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THE BIBLE CODE
All of these are from real mathmaticians, recognized by the mathmatics community. They have all pretty much given up on ELS claims.
I dont think they are all satnists, blind, or atheists. I think that just maybe, there is validity, to their claim that ELS is a load of tosh.
But hey, maybe Im just closing my eyes, or being blindly led.
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Yaro
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Message 17 of 23 (78215)
01-13-2004 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Stephen ben Yeshua
01-13-2004 11:21 AM


But let's move on, given these insights, as scientists, not rationalizers. Ok, let's repeat the study, this time getting "God approved, prayed for authorities" to come up with lists of whatever, and compare the probability of the resulting codes with lists produced by chance, and by atheists. After all, the hypothesis being tested, that this Person, Jehovah is really out there, and that the self-description of who He is in the Scriptures is a trustworthy report, is being tested by many other sorts of studies.
The test isn't to see if Jehova is really out there. That is not why the ELS fell under such contraversy. Again, many scientists, mathmeticians, evolutionists, etc. belive in god. So unless you have evidence otherwise, you cannot brand the mathmaticians who debunked the code as athiests, nor the vast army of mathmaticians who agree, and coroborate their findings.
Since we are not looking for god here, but rather ELS codes, it is not neciseraly relevant that we put god into the equation. Its like saying: "Oh, scientificaly and mathmaticaly ELS codes are insignificant, but wait! If you belive in God then they mean something significant." You may agree with this statement, however, the idiocy of this statement comes from the following equivilant "Oh, scientificaly and mathmaticaly the ELS codes in War and Peace are insignificant. But wait! If I belive war in peace to be a prophectic text then it is significant!"
See what I mean? Your basicaly saying it's significant, because I belive it's significance. You are presuposing it's meaningfullness and not analyzing it objectively at all.
Also, I would like to point something else out in your proposition.
Ok, let's repeat the study, this time getting "God approved, prayed for authorities" to come up with lists of whatever, and compare the probability of the resulting codes with lists produced by chance, and by atheists
How would one qualify as a god aproved authority? There is no way to verfy such a thing.
Furthermore you make the statement:
So, let's get prayer into the Bible Code studies, and see whether prayer can get us more consistent results.
Why would prayr have anything to do with the results? I know devout christians who pray for lotto numbers every night, dosn't seem to work for them.
Seems like you are promoting a sort of sel-hypnosis. Belive it works, and pray, and you will see that it works!
Again, by the same logic I can pray over Moby Dick, and belive that it has encoded prophecys. And guess what? The ELS codes in Moby Dick will be prophetic! WOW!
Puleeez
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